Martin2005

Personally I feel proud to live in a country not overly influenced by clerics and religious doctrine

I do view Catholicism and its followers with a certain bewilderment sometimes, especially the conservative illiberal strand which has held sway for far too long, but it's their choice so I hope they enjoy his visit

Steve vRS

What I find a bit annoying is that there have been numerous documentaries, press articles and open letters denouncing the pope and the Catholic churches stance on moral issues.

Would the same left leaning media criticise Islam in the same manner? I don't see mainstream Islam embracing contraception, homosexuality or abortion.

Steve

Martin2005

I guess the key difference is that Islam doesn't have a 'leader' or a political/docrinal institutions the was Catholicism does. A state visit from a leader, especially one who hold some fairly controversial views is bound to arouse discussion.

what would scooby do

Well today the pope's aide called the UK a third world country

A bit rich coming from the world's biggest peado club !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11317441

jasey

Maybe the catholics should go back to killing non believers like some followers of Islam do - that'll stop the lefties bitching

Steve vRS

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!



We have one main weapon. Fear.

Fear and Surprise.

Two main weapons....

Steve

mgcvk

It is a very large and rich cult based on myth and legend like all religions and this one seems to have a lot of paedo priests in it. What relevance does the Pope's State Visit have to a modern post religious Britain? Not much, and as we aren't living in the dark ages, people should live for the here and now and look out for each other rather than squabbling over stupid made-up beliefs.

David Lock

Do you mean like not supporting use of condoms leading to thousands of extra AIDS cases? dl

jasey

No - the "good news" with that is that it's Catholics they're killing - just shows you how retarded "traditional" catholics are

Martin2005

Well it's mainly the poor, those without education and children, who end up dying something for us all to celebrate

BTW my sisters in-laws are devout Catholics, they are amazing people who do so much in their community, they are not retarded, they are good people who care.
I would argue that they'd be good people without the church, but retarded they certainly are not

jasey

I was very careful with my reply.

If your sisters are against the use of condoms in Africa because of catholic "beliefs" - then they are retarded - no matter how good you think they might be - hth

Martin2005

It's my sisters in-laws, and they are not retarded, they are just wrong IMO

what would scooby do

Steve vRS

Like King Fahad you mean?

Steve

Martin2005

Sorry you lost me there. What has King Fahad got to do with this?

I'm damn sure a visit by him would be rightly met with a pretty caustic welcome

dpb

We can get a handle on the numbers of nutters out there by who turns up / pays to kiss his feet ?

Steve vRS

Martin, I was just giving an example of a head of state with some rather extreme views. I agree, I hope if he visited, he would be given a rough ride.

I seem to remember the last Chinese Chairman to visit had a good reception...till the police vans were parked in front of the demonstrators.

Steve

Martin2005

I'd of thought with Fahad's views on crime and punishment he'd of got a good reception on SN

Steve vRS

He's a moderate in Daily Mail land!

Steve

Gordo

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/a...-201009143086/

Dedrater

Yes, so wrong they are on the verge of being retarded, not officially diagnosed with a mental disability, but, there are similarities of mental slowness.

Petem95

Interesting, I thought this sort of view would go against your extreme-left roots? Surely you want your favourite immigrants to feel at home, and get Sharia law implemented and generally have the rules of their religion go above everything else, including the laws of the land?! (exactly as they want/demand)

Agree with your actual point tho - relgion should have no influence on the laws and rules this country abides by. Things should be based on fact and reason, not myth and tradition.

tony de wonderful

Yes exactly, it's total hypocrisy and double-standards.

Catholicism is an easy target basically. Islam is give a faux-respect even though most 'moderates' are anti-gay and anti-women, and I'm not talking about just opposition to 'gay marriage' but an open antipathy.

jasey

If ever there was a time to come clean and admit they just made it all up - it was when this kid wrote to the pope.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/197701-p...cancer-victim/

Wonder if his parents will stop him going to hospital once he's had a papal blessing

The Zohan

Agreed 100%

as do some of the pope's beer buddies http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...t-aide-dropped I wonder if he said that before, during or after sodomising a choirboy

Steve vRS

Poor little fellow.

Steve

mamoon2

Thats the second time in recent weeks that you've spoke some sense and i've found myself agreeing with you

Have you started drinking?

grovesy

If it makes him feel better I don’t see the harm. Not that I agree with any thing the catholic church say or do.

grovesy

If it makes him feel better I don’t see the harm. Not that I agree with any thing the catholic church say or do.

The Zohan

Yes and me!

Could be that closet, right wing, xenophobe Martin is finally coming out of that closet.