mamoon2

Are there any plasterers on here that can give me a rough m2 price for dot and dab dry walling a full 3 bed victorian semi?

I've got all the sizes of the rooms so I can work out the full cost from the square meter price.

Thanks in advance

mamoon2

Anyone?

stevebt

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What's square meter of the floor area and i can give you a rough idea from the houses i do for persimmon

price would also be different if was was drylined or plastered once boarded

mamoon2

Rough guess at 45m2 floor area. So 90m2 if you count upstairs.

I would want a perfect finish hence going for new boards instead of plastering the old walls. I presume drylined would be better option?

stevebt

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So its an old house? Have you stripped all the ceilings and the walls?

stevebt

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I would get it plastered ontop of the boards as its the better job as long as you have someone who is good at their job. From the size I would say its a 6/7 day job for 1 man to fully board and plaster as that's how long it would take me and I guess you could get it done for £2500 labour only. If you get stupid quotes its people trying it on unless the house is bigger than you think?

mamoon2

I haven't actually bought the house yet, just going through the survey ect...

I'm not sure my measurements are acurate, I worked it out room by room and added them together i.e.

Entrance Hall 3.8m x 1.5m
Front Sitting Room 4.4m x 3.5m
Rear Sitting Room 3.7m x 4.2m
Kitchen 3.2m x 4.2m
Pantry 0.8m x 1.2m

First Floor

Bedroom 1 - 4.4m x 3.5m
Bedroom 2 - 3.7m x 3.4m
Bedroom 3 - 2.4m x 3.1m

Also a large hallway upstairs which I don't have the sizes for.

The house also has a damp problem at the minute which will have to be sorted but i'm waiting to find out off surveyor to what extent.

What do you think, have I mis-calculated the size?

stevebt

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It will be smaller than what you have said. Looks like a reasonable size 3 bedder. Get ready for some sill quotes when you ask people. I boarded and plastered and coved. A small 3 bedroom house for my boss for £1200 yet he was getting quotes from people for £5500 and that was still labour only.

mamoon2

Thanks for the reply. I'd budgeted about £3k anyway so seems it will come in under budget

cookstar

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£400 a day labour... ?

stevebt

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Do you think you could get it done cheaper??

David Lock

I don't quite undestand this.

I keep reading about building trade workers being laid off and yet you are indicating that it costs 2 grand a week to hire a skilled labourer?

Overheads can't be much surely?

dl

stevebt

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I'm not doing the work for him I'm just telling him what I think would be a reasonable price he should be paying, personally I doubt he will get anybody doing all that work for that cheap for a one off job but hey you never know If I had said it would take 3 men two weeks to do would that make you happy

cookstar

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Yes, and do very often. I wouldn't let go of more than £1000 for 6 days labour.

yellowvanman

Where you planning on hacking all the old plaster off, otherwise the internal walls will all be 35-40 thicker, and then there will be issues with door frames, etc.

yellowvanman

Cheap day rate is definitely not always the route to lowest cost, best finish.

The guys I use regularly are all very good, do a first class job, protect the customers house, are personable and polite, clean up after themselves, don't smoke, work very hard and get a huge amount done in a day. So yes they effectively charge more per day, but still work out economical over the whole job.

if you are only paying day rate, where's the incentive to work harder / longer.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

MMT WRX

I think the issue is, how good a plasterer do you want? I know loads of guys in the trades and the good ones are all very busy hence, still charging their rates. If you want a good plasterer you will need to book him 2-3 months in advance, because he will be booked up. If you want it doing next week, anyone available is doubtfully any good.
You can get hired labour for £180/day, but not for your own house.

Rob Day

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As a self taught plasterer just for my own property ladder growth, I have now plastered 3 full house out, of which only half was boarded and the rest was a simple skim.

However I found that boarding and skimming a room of 4m x 4m would cost around £200 in materials alone. This would take me around a full day to boards out inc ceiling, and then a further full day if not a day and half to plaster out. This is just my experience and im probably much slower than the pro's because i dont have some joey doing the mixing, cleaning and washing up the tools etc.

Jamie

£1600 depends if you want the job done right!

mamoon2

Yes. The house has damp problems which will be rectified so old plaster coming off.

cookstar

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tbh I don't think that £180 a day is "cheap". more like the going rate?

The incentive to work is I know how long it takes to do most of the jobs I pay out for, so employ him on a day rate as long as he gets through the required amount of work. Quality is not an issue with the work being top notch. I recommended him to another local builder a couple of weeks ago while their guy was unavailable, they have now booked him for 4 weeks work.

My guess is a lot of the out of work tradespeople are the ones trying to charge £400 a day!

super_ted

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or the ones that are not very good anyway.

chris_wrx

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drylining industrial companies arent paying more than 120 a day if i was to do the job id want 180 a day to cover fuel and tool wear and food costs + digs if nt local as for rates skimming and dabbing is about 5 quid a square 2.50 each on site labour only but for a pvt job could be double that plus materials

stevebt

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There is no way on earth you would get anyone to come in and dot and dab and plaster a whole 3 bedroomed house on a one off job for £1000 and if you did they wouldn't be plasterers!

stevebt

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If that was aimed at me, I didn't say I charged £400 a day you just worked that out yourself! Also I board and plaster houses all day for Persimmon Homes and Charles church and I rarely have time to do work for other as I am kept that busy. A 3 bedroomed house would take me 6 days to fully board out, plaster and cove and this is purely on my own. I said a price which I thought he should expect to pay as he will get quotes of a lot more cash

cookstar

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I didn't say you did, however you did say that that's what he should expect to pay in labour give or take.

So you say it would take you six days to do all that, assuming you had the time what would your quote be to a private customer, if you don't mind me asking?

stevebt

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I wouldn't do it for a private job as I wouldn't have the time. I would not annoy my firm by holding up a sold house for a one off job

cookstar

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Fair enough.

stevebt

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Were you on the look out for a cheap house

cookstar

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Always.

Unless it's one of those poorly constructed "new builds".