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Old 11 July 2010, 03:11 AM
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A family of former asylum-seekers from Somalia are living in a £2.1million luxury townhouse in one of Britain's most exclusive addresses at a cost to taxpayers of £8,000 a month.
Abdi and Sayruq Nur and their seven children moved into their three-storey property in a fashionable area of London last month because they didn't like the 'poorer' part of the city they were living in.
Mr Nur, 42, an unemployed bus conductor, and his 40-year-old wife, who has never worked, are now living in Kensington despite the fact that they are totally dependent on state benefits.
They live close to celebrities, including artist Lucian Freud, singer Damon Albarn and designer Stella McCartney, and their home is just minutes from the fashionable Kensington Place restaurant which was a favourite haunt of the late Princess Diana.
The family's new home is believed to be one of the most expensive houses ever paid for by housing benefit, which is administered by local councils but funded by the Department for Work and Pensions.
The disclosure that a single family has been paid so much will embarrass Ministers, who last month pledged to rein in Britain's £20billion-a-year housing benefit bill.
Mr Nur said his former five-bedroom home in the Kensal Rise area of Brent, which cost £900 a week in housing benefit, was suitable for the family's needs but he said they had felt compelled to move because they did not like living 'in a very poor area' and were unhappy with the quality of local shops and schools.
He said he found the new house through a friend who knew the landlord, arranged to rent it through an estate agent, then approached officials at Kensington and Chelsea council who said 'it would be no problem' to move.
Rules allow anyone who is eligible for housing benefit to claim for a private property in any part of the country they wish.
The £2,000 per week is paid directly to Mr Nur and his family, who then pay their landlord.
Property sources say the house was being advertised locally at a cost of £1,050 per week.
The house is owned by Brophy Group Business Ltd, a British Virgin Islands company whose registered address is a post office box in Liechtenstein.
No one from the firm, which bought the house for £2.1 million in 2007, was available for comment.
Mr Nur said: 'The new house is good enough and it is near the school and the shops. We need a house this big because we have so many children.
'The old house was good but the area was not so good. It was a very poor area and there were no buses, no shops and the schools were too far.
'The old house was four or five bus stops away from the primary school attended by two of my children.
'Soon, all three of our younger children are going to be at primary school and we can't take them all on the bus. Now they are going to a school which is just down the road.'
From September, his children will attend a school located just 20 yards from their new front door - which has been rated as outstanding by Ofsted.
They previously attended a school in Kensal Rise which was rated as satisfactory.
But Mr Nur said his neighbourhood also had other advantages. 'I like the neighbours and there does not seem to be much crime.'
He added: 'They have very full shops here and they are still open at 2am. Unlike at Kensal Rise, where they closed at 7pm or 8pm.'
Mr Nur, who lost his £6.50-an-hour job as a bus conductor 18 months ago, claims officials at Kensington and Chelsea council said they 'didn't care' about his decision to move into the borough, which they said was 'not a problem'.
The family's three-storey property, which dates from the 1840s, has five bedrooms, two bathrooms, a fully fitted kitchen and a garden.
The family's living room, which boasts a large bay window, is dominated by a 50in LG flatscreen TV. It also has two large black leather sofas, two elaborate rugs and lush houseplants.
Neighbours of the family last night expressed their shock at the amount of housing benefit being claimed.
Nigel Melville, 65, a company director, said: 'To be paying that much out in housing benefit is ridiculous - it's too much. I suppose they had to be housed somewhere, but it's an awful lot of money.'
Mr Nur worked for the Red Cross in Somalia and married his wife in 1993.
The couple subsequently fled their homeland because of civil war and were granted asylum in Britain in 1999.
The couple's four oldest children, who are aged between 12 and 16, were all born in Somalia. The youngest three children were born in Britain.
Mr Nur last night acknowledged the family was lucky to have the new home, but he insisted his family 'were no better or no worse off than anyone else'.
He also insisted he was doing his best to find a job.
'I am looking for a job. I am taking a course to train me in how to get a job. I would like any job. Anything in food production or warehouses would be fine.'
The current housing benefit system was overhauled by the last government in April 2008. Labour Ministers introduced new caps on the amount claimants could receive, depending on the size and location of the property.
But instead of bringing costs down, the new system encouraged many landlords to raise rents to the level of the maximum allowable.
The new government has announced further sweeping changes to the housing benefit system, which will come into effect next April.
The new rules mean claimants living in a four or five-bedroom house will no longer be able to claim more than £400 a week.
The changes have led to warnings that thousands of families will be forced out of existing homes into cheaper properties.
But critics say the changes are essential because of mounting concern about the size of some individual claims, particularly in London.
Earlier this year, it emerged that Essma Marjam, a single mother of six, was being paid nearly £7,000 a month so that she could live in a five-bedroom villa in Maida Vale.
In December, Francesca Walker, a mother-of-eight who also lived in Kensington and Chelsea, defended her £90,000-a-year housing benefit claims for a £2 million villa in Notting Hill.
She said the family were completely justified in living there because the council could not find a big enough property.
The London borough of Kensington and Chelsea last night declined to comment on the specific circumstances of the Nur family's claim.
The council said it had a responsibility to meet the needs of claimants who were eligible for benefits and was powerless to stop people moving into private accommodation in the area.
A spokesman said: 'We have been saying for some years now that the way in which the maximum level of housing benefit is calculated is flawed and we welcome the Government's new changes which begin next year.
'The sums of money that many families claim for housing in the capital and elsewhere is an example of an unreasonably generous benefits system which is open to abuse.'
A spokesman for Brent Council said: 'Households, whether they are claiming benefits or are in work, are able to make their own arrangements in terms of renting privately, as long as they can find a landlord with a suitable property.
'This includes decisions about where they live.'
Old 11 July 2010, 04:41 AM
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Could we not fund a private family flight back to Somalia instead

So rent could originally be £1000 a week. Landlord and new scrounging tenant come to a deal where landlord will claim rent is £2000 a week. Social hands family £2000, he gives landlord £1500 and keeps £500 for himself, everyone but the tax payer wins .

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Good innit

The government would be better buying houses from the private market, say a 5 bed scruffhole in Bradford for £150k. The interest only would be IRO £500/m, and at some point they can resell it and bank the equity. Hell, they even own half the banks anyway, so financing wouldn't be an issue. Why pay extortionate rent to private landlords when you can be your own landlord ?
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Fail on so many levels - probably why the country is in so much mess.
Has anyone looked to see if said scrounging family could return to Somalia ?
No as that will no doubt be against their human rights, despite the fact they are just takers and not paying anything into this ecomony.
Did anyone at the council check the price of the rent of the house before agreeing to pay with public money ?
Did anyone at the council attempt to negiote the price down with the landlord ?
Has anone followed up to see if the money paying to the family is all going on rent or is it going elsewhere ?
No probably not as no doubt came out with the line we have always done it like this - we just take the word of the client etc !

If I was in charge of this the above and a lot more would have been done and would be asking serious questions about whoever signed this off and asking them if it was their money would they be so readly to pay it out ?
Serious questions need to be asked about this - but does not suprise me at all have contracted for a few councils and their attitude towards money and giving money away is truelly shocking, as is the gross stupidity of some of the people that work there !

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Originally Posted by Bugatti
Could we not fund a private family flight back to Somalia instead

So rent could originally be £1000 a week. Landlord and new scrounging tenant come to a deal where landlord will claim rent is £2000 a week. Social hands family £2000, he gives landlord £1500 and keeps £500 for himself, everyone but the tax payer wins .

Yes, but that is what this country has become. the majority of people in it are bent one way or another.

When you have MPs from all parties stealing money form the taxpayer you can hardly blame every other Tom, Dick and Abdul for wanting to screw the system in any way they can.

From benefit fraud to scamming car parts and plenty more in between the I'm alright Jack philosophy is alive and well in the ****hole that is Britian.
Old 11 July 2010, 10:08 AM
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Good on them.

They're not breaking any laws and getting (what the government) think they're entitled to.
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Good on them, you're obviously not paying their rent are you.
Old 11 July 2010, 10:40 AM
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Surely the sensible thing to do would be to move them to a more suitable area and property, 'they' do not need or indeed have to stay in that area, common sense and sensible use of taxpayers money should dictate they move and the taxpayer not fund this stupid waste of money. They have come from Somalia so a move of 100 miles to a cheaper area should not be an issue, it is not like the baby machine of a mother or father have jobs or means to support herself except for the benefits system that is.

Red-Ken Clarke was on the Today Show earlier saying how it is not the fault of the old NL government more the landlord and he is a prime example of all that is wrong with the last government - the fact that they just cannot see the obvious prioblems and come up with sensible solutultion. If fools Like NL are willing to pay these sorts of rent then landlords will charge accordingly, It is OK for private renters to fund thier own rents at that level if they can afford it but the taxpayer cannot.

As the saying goes, look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themsleves - NL take heed of this as you failed miserably to look after the pennies or the pounds or indeed the bilions of pounds wasted and borrowed!

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Don't surprise me really,yes the Plot was lost a longggg time ago it's Fubar alright
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never right . they should be made to buy a house on the benifits £290.00 a month gets you a 50k mortage . at that rate £900 a monthy gets £150k . so it would be miles cheeper for the goverment to buy all these passengers free houses , on the condition the pay it back IF AND WHEN they ever get a job
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By the look of their living room not all of that £2k a week is going to the landlord, no wonder he is smiling.


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We have only got our selfs to blame. The country is fcuked. Simples..........
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Hang on.............I thought the tories had limited the amount that could be paid in benefits for rent?
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Originally Posted by kingofturds
By the look of their living room not all of that £2k a week is going to the landlord, no wonder he is smiling.


A thank you would be nice


Be interesting to see of the ConDems do anything about it though - probably not.

If the government just said NO to this sort of thing, the same family would be in the Daily Fail for the injustice of how the family can't live in the manner in which it feels it deserves.

Same with benefits all over really. We expect all people to have a certain standard of living or we see stories of child poverty and how the government is failing the children. However, if that certain standard of living isn't quite as bad as all that you have to ask why bother working in the first place.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Hang on.............I thought the tories had limited the amount that could be paid in benefits for rent?

The £400 a week cap is not coming in until next April.
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Originally Posted by kingofturds
The £400 a week cap is not coming in until next April.
£1600 a month? Its still a joke at that price. Theres lots of houses on sink estates just boarded up - sod them if they think the area is bad, should have thought of that before - and I would assume bad as it is its not as bad as being deported.
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What a f*cking p*ss take
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I think these PC Plonkers do this deliberately to shock and also as much as anything to display their power to such mindbedingly stupid actions.

There are a lot of others, supposed to control all this sort of thing with their heads a very long way up in an unpleasant place!

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Originally Posted by alcazar
Hang on.............I thought the tories had limited the amount that could be paid in benefits for rent?
Yep, me too. Maybe that is just what they said they will do and the actual doing is not happening. No surprise there really.
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Tip of the iceberg
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Hang on, we have loads of people living on the streets and these former asylum seekers are living in luxury at our expense. This type of thing boils me up
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Good point Lee!

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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep, me too. Maybe that is just what they said they will do and the actual doing is not happening. No surprise there really.
It may be the case that they stopped any new applications from breaching a certain level. These guys may have been in before the change.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Good point Lee!

Les
Homeless people is something that really bothers me, a lot. I am not interested in how they got there either.
The money these asylum seekers are costing per month, would get quite a few of our own off the streets and into decent homes.
Things like this, really annoy the hell out of me.
It seems if you come from somewhere else, you get preferential treatment. It stinks
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Its our fault, we have always looked after others, better than ourself's, we are to scared be cause of human right, I RIGHT....... Look at all the poverty in our inner city's.
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Struggling to accept this story is true unless there are some serious corruption issues going on.

Why would Nur put himself in the spotlight?

Any sensible person would be keeping a low profile under the circumstances.
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Struggling to accept this story is true unless there are some serious corruption issues going on.
Why would Nur put himself in the spotlight?
Would you find the story more credible if it was in a nice left-leaning paper like the Guardian?


"Before this announced change, anyone could find a very expensive property to rent in Westminster and claim housing benefit, regardless of whether they lived locally, or even if they came from abroad.If they could prove they were eligible, we had to pay out up to £2,000 a week in some cases. To afford this rent in the private sector, a household's income would have to be £300,000. The problem is just as acute further down the scale.
We currently have around 80 families who are claiming more than £1,000 in housing benefit– a level that is way beyond the reach of the vast majority of working households in the UK." Housing-benefit-cap-was-needed
Those are the facts - as the law stood up until now, Westminster Council (and maybe others) literally couldn't reject a claimant's application for housing benefit, unless they were obviously lying about their circumstances. So far as Nur keeping his head down is concerned, the above proves his case is far from exceptional, so there's no great incentive for him to do that, assuming it's even him who went to the papers in the first place.


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