3D TV - Damn and blast it !
27 April 2010, 07:06 PM
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3D TV - Damn and blast it !
Just had a demo of a 3D TV and I was all set to hate the idea and see it as a gimmick, but I have to say I was bowled over. Fantastically clear image and excellent depth. Characters leapt out of the screen and only stopped when they reached the edge of the screen, where it looked like they'd float right into the room. I had convinced myself that there was simply no need for it in the home, and wanted to preserve 3D for 'special' movies at the cinema, and 'extra special' ones at IMAX, but even the brief clip of Avatar we viewed was better than it looked at IMAX, and whichever Pixar-ish animation we watched it was simply brought to life. We watched a few minutes of Ratatoulie on normal BluRay first to set a standard, but the 3D added so much to the viewing experience it was amazing. Even the missuse who is usually very anti-tech was very impressed. 3D processing of a 2D signal was crap, and I wouldn't use that feature unless they improve it greatly though, and the limited quantity of good 3D material means I can probably wait a year or two, also allowing prices to settle down. It was only a Samsung LED LCD set we watched, so the Panasonic plasma's which will be ready to view next week are sure to make my credit card cry 
And I want a 65" too 
And I want a 65" too
27 April 2010, 07:15 PM
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Never seen it in action but i would love to, im thinking of trying the pc approach, i have a 5970 that is geared for 3dtv at a later date, from what i can gather all i'll need it a screen with a 120hz refresh rate or higher.
3dtv is certainly being pushed in a big way and who can blame them, i might just wait for oled screens to become mainstream before making the jump.
So you watched 3dtv on a normal screen, wasn't adapted for 3dtv at all?
I assume you had to wear shutter glasses?
3dtv is certainly being pushed in a big way and who can blame them, i might just wait for oled screens to become mainstream before making the jump.
So you watched 3dtv on a normal screen, wasn't adapted for 3dtv at all?
I assume you had to wear shutter glasses?
13 May 2010, 08:14 PM
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Update - OK, just demo'd the Panasonic VT20 3DTV and OMFG 
Stunning is an understatement. I actually ducked when water splashed up on a clip of white water rafting filmed in the Grand Canyon 
The detail was jaw-dropping, like you are looking through a window, whereas the LCD Samsung last week was good, but good as in it was a 3D TV and you didn't forget that. With this Pana I could forget I was watching an electronic device and feel like I was in the place in the picture, almost 
The depth of field of the 3D effect was also significantly better, with perspective even changing if you moved around, just like in real life. If I were buying now, I have found my winner 
Stunning is an understatement. I actually ducked when water splashed up on a clip of white water rafting filmed in the Grand Canyon The detail was jaw-dropping, like you are looking through a window, whereas the LCD Samsung last week was good, but good as in it was a 3D TV and you didn't forget that. With this Pana I could forget I was watching an electronic device and feel like I was in the place in the picture, almost The depth of field of the 3D effect was also significantly better, with perspective even changing if you moved around, just like in real life. If I were buying now, I have found my winner
13 May 2010, 10:52 PM
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I'd leave this well along for a few years. Pop down to the cinema to enjoy it, and let the technology stabilise. There are many different competing formats, and almost no content.
HD 3D is a way off yet
HD 3D is a way off yet
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13 May 2010, 11:40 PM
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The 50" set I viewed was £2200 list, but there is a price-matching war starting 
The Pana sets include 2x sets of glasses and I believe they retail at about £80 a pair thereafter. The Samsung is cheaper, BUT you have to buy the glasses at £100 a pair, actually making it more expensive I believe, and it is nowhere near as good IMHO.
Luminous, I agree ! I'll be waiting a year or even two for the tech to improve and more media to be available, plus I aren't ready to change the TV yet anyway. I have to say though, that Pana is foofing brilliant, and if I had that kind of money to spare I wouldn't hesitate for a second in bolting a 58" to my living room wall
The Pana sets include 2x sets of glasses and I believe they retail at about £80 a pair thereafter. The Samsung is cheaper, BUT you have to buy the glasses at £100 a pair, actually making it more expensive I believe, and it is nowhere near as good IMHO.Luminous, I agree ! I'll be waiting a year or even two for the tech to improve and more media to be available, plus I aren't ready to change the TV yet anyway. I have to say though, that Pana is foofing brilliant, and if I had that kind of money to spare I wouldn't hesitate for a second in bolting a 58" to my living room wall
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This is the route I'd take too, just invested in a GTX470 graphics card which supports it. 3D tv will take a while to take off, but I reckon 3D games would be awesome & certainly feasible in the not too distant future.
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Update - OK, just demo'd the Panasonic VT20 3DTV and OMFG Stunning is an understatement. I actually ducked when water splashed up on a clip of white water rafting filmed in the Grand Canyon The detail was jaw-dropping, like you are looking through a window, whereas the LCD Samsung last week was good, but good as in it was a 3D TV and you didn't forget that. With this Pana I could forget I was watching an electronic device and feel like I was in the place in the picture, almost The depth of field of the 3D effect was also significantly better, with perspective even changing if you moved around, just like in real life. If I were buying now, I have found my winner
Stunning is an understatement. I actually ducked when water splashed up on a clip of white water rafting filmed in the Grand Canyon The detail was jaw-dropping, like you are looking through a window, whereas the LCD Samsung last week was good, but good as in it was a 3D TV and you didn't forget that. With this Pana I could forget I was watching an electronic device and feel like I was in the place in the picture, almost The depth of field of the 3D effect was also significantly better, with perspective even changing if you moved around, just like in real life. If I were buying now, I have found my winner Les
14 May 2010, 01:33 PM
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I saw a 3D TV / Blu-Ray setup in John Lewis last week end. I can't remember what manufacturer it was (possibly Sony). It was only a small screen (poss 42") but I must say I was slightly underwhelmed. While watching under the shop lights there was a definite flicker noticeable with the lighting in the shop. I guess it's going to be less if you're in a darkened room at home. I also saw that the film tended to freeze a few times for a split second. I don't know if it's down to the type of player but it was definitely a put-off.
Oh, and if you needed any new glasses, that's £130 please...
Oh, and if you needed any new glasses, that's £130 please...
14 May 2010, 04:40 PM
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The flicker will be coming from a frequency clash between the glasses and the store lighting, which you shouldn't get at home. Also, the Sony TV will be LCD based, which after my two demo's is definitely the runt of the current litter, plasma FTW.
14 May 2010, 05:09 PM
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Update - OK, just demo'd the Panasonic VT20 3DTV and OMFG Stunning is an understatement. I actually ducked when water splashed up on a clip of white water rafting filmed in the Grand Canyon The detail was jaw-dropping, like you are looking through a window, whereas the LCD Samsung last week was good, but good as in it was a 3D TV and you didn't forget that. With this Pana I could forget I was watching an electronic device and feel like I was in the place in the picture, almost The depth of field of the 3D effect was also significantly better, with perspective even changing if you moved around, just like in real life. If I were buying now, I have found my winner
Stunning is an understatement. I actually ducked when water splashed up on a clip of white water rafting filmed in the Grand Canyon The detail was jaw-dropping, like you are looking through a window, whereas the LCD Samsung last week was good, but good as in it was a 3D TV and you didn't forget that. With this Pana I could forget I was watching an electronic device and feel like I was in the place in the picture, almost The depth of field of the 3D effect was also significantly better, with perspective even changing if you moved around, just like in real life. If I were buying now, I have found my winner I never felt a part of the film at all, and the feeling of depth was nothing special.
14 May 2010, 08:10 PM
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Curry's, Birstall. (Comet next door don't have them, but will beat any price and get you one, they say
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15 May 2010, 11:27 PM
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Yes, much better. The details and focus is miles better, and I've only watched 3D at IMAX so supposedly at its best with regards to cinema presentation. The depth is much better, and on the plasma there was real-like perspective as you moved.
Curry's, Birstall. (Comet next door don't have them, but will beat any price and get you one, they say ).
Curry's, Birstall. (Comet next door don't have them, but will beat any price and get you one, they say
).Thanks. I'll go take a look at one.
15 May 2010, 11:44 PM
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A guy on AV Forums did a very comprehensive test before he purchased and he found that the Pana was very good for 3D, but has a flicker effect on normal 2D TV viewing. He concluded that the Samsung 3D plasma was the better option, but agreed that all the plasmas were better than their LCD counterparts.
16 May 2010, 12:51 AM
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Hmmm, just had a look at the prices on the Samsung 3D plasmas and you can get a 63" one for similar monies to Pana's 50" 
16 May 2010, 06:00 AM
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Must say I've been really left behind with 3D TV as I've been concentrating on my 2ch stereo kit recently (bought a lovely Lyngdorf amp that I've been playing with)
Are the glasses the same as the ones you are given at the cinema?
Are the glasses the same as the ones you are given at the cinema?
16 May 2010, 06:48 AM
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No, they're active shutter glasses. LCD lenses alternately blank each eye in sync with the TV alternately displaying the left and right image.
Cinema ones are simple polarising filters.
Cinema ones are simple polarising filters.
16 May 2010, 10:28 AM
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17 May 2010, 03:08 PM
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Me neither, but I would if I had money to burn. If you're in the market for a high end telly, then you may as well have it. Sensibly though, wait, let more media arrive, let the tech evolve, and let the price fall 