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Old 12 September 2009, 11:36 AM
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doesnt surprise me mate,
we need oil he has oil.
Old 12 September 2009, 11:42 AM
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Jesus Christ the man armed the IRA with plastic explosive for years and was indirectly reponsible for the shooting of a police officer in London, not to mention his involvement in Lockerbie !!
Old 12 September 2009, 11:44 AM
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Simple: Labour are, as always at the end of their time in office, desperate for money
Old 12 September 2009, 12:04 PM
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What a farce.
Old 12 September 2009, 01:06 PM
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What is the point of us having the baddass SAS if we give out all the tricks of the trade to the bumpkin aggro country's?
Old 12 September 2009, 01:22 PM
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This is quite disturbing..............
Old 12 September 2009, 01:26 PM
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i'm not sure why it comes as such a big surprise

the US funded the IRA which killed many UK troops

the US funded armed and trained the Taliban (the modern incarnation of the Mujahideen)
which is killing UK troops

the UK has sold arms all over the world -- inc Iraq -- which are eventually used to kill UK troops

I remember being told a funny story by an ex army bloke who was patrolling the inland rivers of Central Belize -- they came under bow and arrow attack from the natives -- one squadie got an arrow in the ****, when the got in back to a field hospital and extracted the arrow they all laughed coz it had been purchased from a sports shop in Croydon -- according to the label

money talks bull**** walks
Old 12 September 2009, 02:53 PM
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of course by training them they'll know exactly what the libyans are capable of, because they will have taught them! could be handy in the future

Plus i'm sure they won't give away all their trade secrets
Old 12 September 2009, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JRFRACE
of course by training them they'll know exactly what the libyans are capable of, because they will have taught them! could be handy in the future

Plus i'm sure they won't give away all their trade secrets
TH i do not want the Libyans trained by the best soliders in the world. At the very least they will pick up the habits, the drills the SAS do as a matter of course. the checking and rechecking. field craft, etc. It seems stupid and short sighted to have them train an old enemy who could so easily become a new enemy.

I hope Gordon Brown is the first casualty of the highly trained Lybian troops, shame he hasn't learned the leaasons of the past re lybia but then agian he hasn't learned any lessons from the past so why start now

still, we all know it is all about the oil

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Old 12 September 2009, 06:00 PM
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Typical politician's decision

I bet Brown didn't spend a minute seeking the views of wise old heads that know Libya as well as some military chaps.

He would quickly have found out that the Libyans are a two faced bunch of double crossing liars who would willingly allow their grannies to be raped if it suited them. And that's being kind.

But I suppose we could give them the task of finding Osama which should keep them busy

A classic error.

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Old 12 September 2009, 06:00 PM
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They'll never be quality soldiers anyway. The culture in these countries doesn't lend itself well to that.
Old 12 September 2009, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
They'll never be quality soldiers anyway. The culture in these countries doesn't lend itself well to that.
I'm sure Lawrence of Arabia would disagree.

However, I think that this is appalling but given the CIA trained Al'Queda (spelling), nothing surprises me.

Steve
Old 12 September 2009, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
What is the point of us having the baddass SAS if we give out all the tricks of the trade to the bumpkin aggro country's?

The SAS are not gonna give away all the tricks of the trade,Brown maybe a Clown...Training can mean such simple tasks as fitness and basic weapons training...
Old 12 September 2009, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DYK
The SAS are not gonna give away all the tricks of the trade,Brown maybe a Clown...Training can mean such simple tasks as fitness and basic weapons training...
Still does not sound right does it?
Old 12 September 2009, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DYK
The SAS are not gonna give away all the tricks of the trade,Brown maybe a Clown...Training can mean such simple tasks as fitness and basic weapons training...

LOL!
so it is ok to have them fitter and more able to fight for sustained periods and in addition them better trained with their weapons and weapons drills eh - very sensible
Old 12 September 2009, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
LOL!
so it is ok to have them fitter and more able to fight for sustained periods and in addition them better trained with their weapons and weapons drills eh - very sensible

To be honest with you,you could pick a book up nowadays from wh smith that will give away SAS secrets,i never thought from the start writing books on the SAS was ever a good idea.As for what's happening now it's the lesser of two evils.
Old 12 September 2009, 08:40 PM
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Doesn't suprise me in the slightest, between us, the USA, and Russia we have trained 3/4 of the worlds armies!!


And if we haven't trained them, we've supplied them!!
Old 13 September 2009, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DYK
To be honest with you,you could pick a book up nowadays from wh smith that will give away SAS secrets,i never thought from the start writing books on the SAS was ever a good idea.As for what's happening now it's the lesser of two evils.
Reading a book is one thing, being trained by these chap is another. Chances are they will put them through lots of live firing and under extreme combat conditions and all that that entails. They will be better soldiers and more able to fight and fight hard having been trained by the best in the world.
Old 13 September 2009, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Reading a book is one thing, being trained by these chap is another. Chances are they will put them through lots of live firing and under extreme combat conditions and all that that entails. They will be better soldiers and more able to fight and fight hard having been trained by the best in the world.

yep your right ofcourse reading a book is different.I was only saying that you can too easily get an insight into the SAS through books now a days,which i don't think is a good thing.This post caught my interest because i have a family member who is in the regiment,and my Dad's brother who was in but is now retired...
Old 13 September 2009, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Out of interest what are their thoughts on this topic? Do they see it as a betrayal or a case of better to keep your enemies close and on side, i.e. have Libya denouncing terrorism and combating it as opposed to their previous stance of supporting it?

Basically.it's like training your enemy to fight better..I do go out running sometimes with the old mans brother,but we vaguely talk about these things,we just talk about normal stuff,have a laugh and a chat over a couple of beers shoot some pool and what not.He is driving to Czech republic with me in a few weeks time though so should be good. ....
Old 14 September 2009, 08:32 AM
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wont be the first time this happen, osama ring a bell?

not sure why its the governments fault? considering it was a scotish decision to release the L bomber
Old 14 September 2009, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
They'll never be quality soldiers anyway. The culture in these countries doesn't lend itself well to that.
They were so bad that the Russian army could not beat them in the same way that the British failed all those years ago and the allied forces now in fact as well!

Les
Old 14 September 2009, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
Just how low can this Government stoop as it seems there is no limit to what they can descend to:

SAS Reportedly Training Libyan Special Forces - May Be Linked To Lockerbie Bomber Release | World News | Sky News

So a country that has funded murdering our troops is now being trained by our most elite of soldiers? What the hell do Labour think they are playing at? Could they insult the British Army any more than this?
Its certainly displays the duplicity of these self seeking ***** which have been in power for the last 12 years!

Les
Old 14 September 2009, 11:46 AM
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PC Yvonne Fletcher - this is one reason, shows how litle respect our government has for her or her family, same for the victims of Lockerbie.

No one was ever brought to justice over this and for this alone we should not train them.

BBC ON THIS DAY | 17 | 1984: Libyan embassy shots kill policewoman

all about the oil...
Old 14 September 2009, 01:20 PM
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I remember that very bad day too well!

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Old 14 September 2009, 01:42 PM
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Oil. Politics. Corruption. British (1930's) foreign policy. Did I say oil?
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