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Old 18 August 2009, 08:19 PM
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Safety comes from somewhere!

YouTube - B-58 Hustler fly by - Mach 2 cold war bomber
Old 18 August 2009, 10:10 PM
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Can you imagine that today...

AF: We're gonna have three B52 in close formation, at low level.
H&S: Er, no.
AF: What about if we fire a live missile
H&S: No
AF: What about if we safely destroy the missile before it hits the ground?
H&S: With what?
AF: Well, another missile.
H&S: No...anything else, or can we go now?
AF: I spose napalm is out of the question then?

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Just depends where you go and watch!!! I remember watching a live fire exercise in Wales
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Fantastic!
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bit **** when it all goes wrong thought....
YouTube - Su27 crash at ukraine airshow.

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Originally Posted by BOB.T
Can you imagine that today...

AF: We're gonna have three B52 in close formation, at low level.
H&S: Er, no.
AF: What about if we fire a live missile
H&S: No
AF: What about if we safely destroy the missile before it hits the ground?
H&S: With what?
AF: Well, another missile.
H&S: No...anything else, or can we go now?
AF: I spose napalm is out of the question then?




Very true!

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YouTube - B-52 Bomber Crashes during Air Show
Old 19 August 2009, 07:51 PM
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Great find, sums up that era, amazing advances, unbounded optimism and bravado, that must have been a great show, I caught the end of the proper airshow where safety wasnt the main concern but that Ukranian one is very sobering, I read an account of a guy searching for his little lad, he found his head which doesnt even bear thinking about.
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I remember watching the Fleet Air Arm practicing for an air display at RNAS Yeovilton in the 80's. There were loads of Sea Kings flying at low level up and down the runway with under slung field guns and land rovers etc. dropping them off and flying off followed by FRAS.1 Sea Harriers doing VTOL and short take off runs.

I also remember visiting Upper Heyford in July 1990 and watching loads of activity from a vantage point at the end of the runway. F-111Fs C130Hs, A-10As and F15Es were taking of like mad. A month later , we realised that they were off to visit Baghdad!!

Brilliant!

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Originally Posted by Steve vRS
I remember watching the Fleet Air Arm practicing for an air display at RNAS Yeovilton in the 80's. There were loads of Sea Kings flying at low level up and down the runway with under slung field guns and land rovers etc. dropping them off and flying off followed by FRAS.1 Sea Harriers doing VTOL and short take off runs.

I also remember visiting Upper Heyford in July 1990 and watching loads of activity from a vantage point at the end of the runway. F-111Fs C130Hs, A-10As and F15Es were taking of like mad. A month later , we realised that they were off to visit Baghdad!!

Brilliant!

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Old 20 August 2009, 11:13 AM
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I am hoping that the display at Dawlish today will be good with the Arrows, BBMF, and 558. Haven't seen a display for a long time now.

Les
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I am hoping that the display at Dawlish today will be good with the Arrows, BBMF, and 558. Haven't seen a display for a long time now.

Les
Blimey Les, XH558 is quite a coup for the Dawlish carnival committee! Amazingly, it's not even due to appear at Duxford's big 2 day event on 5-6 September.

I hope you have a great day.
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Originally Posted by Turbo2
Blimey Les, XH558 is quite a coup for the Dawlish carnival committee! Amazingly, it's not even due to appear at Duxford's big 2 day event on 5-6 September.

I hope you have a great day.
Thanks Turbo, a local rich chap put up a big donation so that the Dawlish display committee could afford the Vulcan. 558 arrived surrounded by the Red Arrows which was a wonderful way to start off. The Arrows departed while the Vulcan displayed.

No one cared about the rain which arrived before but cleared away in time.

Les

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Les, did you fly a Vulcan at Biggin Hill late 60's early 70's air show (In fact it would be more 1968/1969, just expanding the parameters)? I know, big "bandwidth" in time.
Old 21 August 2009, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Klaatu
Les, did you fly a Vulcan at Biggin Hill late 60's early 70's air show (In fact it would be more 1968/1969, just expanding the parameters)? I know, big "bandwidth" in time.
I did a travelling display both at Halton and Biggin Hill for Battle of Britain I think but cannot remember the date without checking in my logbook for that time. I distinctly remember dropping into the hole before the runway threshold and climbing out again like the Spitfire always used to do! I tried it some time before in a Chipmunk during a display but found myself embarrassed because it did not have the power to climb out and I had to do a climbing spiral turn! Must have made the Spitfire pilot laugh

I'll get the logbooks out and check for you

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I've got to get one my QFIs surname, I recall I mentioned it once to you Les.

He was called Ian.......something lol!

I'll check, since he was a display pilot too.

Old 21 August 2009, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I did a travelling display both at Halton and Biggin Hill for Battle of Britain I think but cannot remember the date without checking in my logbook for that time. I distinctly remember dropping into the hole before the runway threshold and climbing out again like the Spitfire always used to do! I tried it some time before in a Chipmunk during a display but found myself embarrassed because it did not have the power to climb out and I had to do a climbing spiral turn! Must have made the Spitfire pilot laugh

I'll get the logbooks out and check for you

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Sounds like about what happened. Blew my ears out. I will have to do a date check, but sounds right enough.
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I think it was 1971 or 1972, no-one is sure.
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Originally Posted by Klaatu
I think it was 1971 or 1972, no-one is sure.
Found it in a log book. It was on 18th Sept '71. I took part in a demonstration 4XVulcan scramble at Finningley for the Battle of Britain show there and then flew south to do displays at Coltishall and Biggin Hill. I did a bit of a "flypast" at Thruxton because I was supposed to be there for practice but they said if I did that they would let me drive there the next day

It was a nice day and we were able to fly all the way there and back at 2000 feet which is always enjoyable.

The aircraft was a bit heavier than normal for a display because of the fuel I had to carry to get there and back which is a little restrictive on how much of a hooligan you can be in some manoeuvres.

Les
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Found it in a log book. It was on 18th Sept '71. I took part in a demonstration 4XVulcan scramble at Finningley for the Battle of Britain show there and then flew south to do displays at Coltishall and Biggin Hill. I did a bit of a "flypast" at Thruxton because I was supposed to be there for practice but they said if I did that they would let me drive there the next day

It was a nice day and we were able to fly all the way there and back at 2000 feet which is always enjoyable.

The aircraft was a bit heavier than normal for a display because of the fuel I had to carry to get there and back which is a little restrictive on how much of a hooligan you can be in some manoeuvres.

Les
Wow! It was a good clear day as I reacall. I am chatting to one person who flew that Vulcan that day. Did you do a, I don't know what the technical term is, but basically "pull up" at full chat at the end of the fly-by?
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Originally Posted by Klaatu
Wow! It was a good clear day as I reacall. I am chatting to one person who flew that Vulcan that day. Did you do a, I don't know what the technical term is, but basically "pull up" at full chat at the end of the fly-by?
My normal departure was a roller landing with a full power takeoff rotating upwards to the vertical and doing a rolling "stall turn" at the top at about 3000 feet as the speed started to reduce. If I was landing back on to that airfield I used to do a spiral descent from that height and do a tight final turn to a short landing using the tail brake 'chute. Could not do that at Biggin on that day of course. It was possible to stop the aircraft on the runway in less than 1500 feet on a short landing.

After the fly by's I used to do a steep wingover at either end of the runway to reverse the flight direction, and also do two steep turns in the centre of the display line one in each direction opening and closing the bomb doors so that the public could see them operating.

The Vulcan is a truly amazing aircraft and it is a shame that 558 is so restricted in what can be done now.

Les
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Climb/rotate, *rolling my eyes* of course. I recall the the fly by and then the climb...and then my ears gave up with the noise from the engines LOL OUCH!

Awsome Les!
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It is a "hooligan's" machine believe me.

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Of that I am in no doubt.
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