Felix.

A seminar/forum at work based on promoting women in the company. Aimed at women, for women and no men allowed.

Shouldn't this be a forum for any "person" wanting promotion......

And if so, should a stir things up a little.

ScoobyWon't

Put on a liitle black dress and some heels and then turn up

_Meridian_

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What percentage of senior managers are female?


M

Felix.

not many

percentage wise - 20% ish

Trout

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They obviously want to get some totty in the boardroom to dress the place up and look pretty

pimmo2000

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SwissTony

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But who would serve the tea and biccies ?

mykp

in the true sense of the word it is discrimination but discrimination only works if those who are discriminated against either care or can be ar5sed to stand up because there being discriminated against.

if it was a men only group there would be women marching on parliment.

IWatkins

Yep, we have recently had a group for Homosexual/transgender and another for women. But we don't have a group for hetro males.

But there again, we don't give a monkies so I guess it isn't discrimination.

Clarebabes

I think you'll find this group has probably been set up because of discrimination in the first place, there are a fewer percentage of women in top jobs - that's a fact. Is discrimination the cause? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

At my stage of life, I wouldn't want a job that requires the commitment of the top level, so does that make me feel discriminated against? No. I work in a very women biased industry actually and alot of management are women, so perhaps I don't feel my company is discriminating, so certainly wouldn't set up a group to discuss it. Perhaps yours is and that's why they're doing it.

cookstar

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IMO, yes it is, these groups really annoy me, all of the activities for young babies are all "mother and baby", "mother and baby changing". etc etc

They should all be parent and baby.

Probably a silly point for the most of you, but it is something that annoys me.

Timwinner

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Mate I think I know the very group you speak of. Its "positive" so it doesnt count as discrimination. I think its a move towards segregation and them against us mentality.

CrisPDuk

I would suggest it's not worth getting bothered about to be honest.

It's been shown on numerous ocassions that the biggest hindrance to women getting on in senior management is most often a woman who got in there before them

jasey

I wouldn't worry too much.

Organised by women for women - no men allowed.

They'll spend all day bitching about each other and they'll get nowhere fast

Tell them they need to get some men in ther steering committee !

Gordo

send a concerned email to hr - they'll cr4p themselves in a flurry of eu directives and cancel it.

innocently ask when the lesbian dwarf session is as well?

DYK

TurboKitty

Simon 69

Equal Rights for Ugly Wimmin!

Fabioso

What a load of bollicks!!.....ahhh actually thats exactly what that committee isn't..............

I feel sorry for anyone who is genuinely discriminated against but I have also seen the "discrimination" card played out on so many occasions where knowing the situation the individual in question was just not suitable or actually crap. Seems to occur frequently in these instances with individuals who have a high opinion of themselves and no-one else does.

Trouble is all of these scenarios get presented with so many issues its hard to really get to the truth of the situation.

That's why so many anti-discriminatory (is that a real word?) actions have ended up being unbalanced in favour of the alleged discriminated against and that ends up getting on everyone's ****.

jods

Have you noticed how it's only whiney little sh1tbags who play the discrimination card.

I propose we change the name of the legislation to
"Whiney little wetpant crybaby no-mates" clause

Lisawrx

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On face value, I'd say, if the number of women getting promoted is low, then what's the problem in a seminar aimed at changing that? However, it depends on why women aren't getting promoted (not pc bollocks). If they are being overlooked due to sex, that's a problem, but if they aren't interested or it's down to blokes being beter qualified, it's a different story.

If no discrimination goes on, but women are working in a more male dominated environment, it may actually be more constructive to have a mix of people in the seminars, to throw ideas about, to change that, in terms of progression etc.

So often these crappy things are thought out, to be seen to be doing something (whether it needs to be done or not), but in reality serve no actual purpose. Or to simply conform to pc ideals.

I personally feel, if discrimination is going on, no matter who the victim is, it's wrong, and should be stamped out, but not at the expense of discriminating someone else. I totally respect the point of whoever is interested in progressing, should have the opportunity, and what success should come, should be based on capability and merit, and not what sex (enter whatever other fashionable group) you may be.

People shouldn't be excluded because of something, but shouldn't be the only target either. Who's best for the job should be the priority.

jods

Hi Lisa,

I agree on promoting the best person for the Job. In actuality, the company I work for has quite a high number of senior management women.

The board is mostly men though.

Lisawrx

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Hiya J.

My work is funny. I'd say the majority of workers are women, but management are men. (in our region at least) Progression here seems to be more about if your face fits. Think you have to be a yes sir/no sir person who lives and breathes the company. Not totally sure about the board, but as it's a family company so to speak, two big guns are women.

In alot of companies, who progresses depends on who pushes themselves enough. It can come down to more than that though, as we probably all know.

jods

Hi L

I probably shouldn't say this so I will

I overheard two senior managers discussing who, out of two candidates, should get a promotion.

One was male, the other was female.

They both had performed equally well - there was quite literally nothing between them in terms of performance.

I won't go into the boring details about the measurement of performance because it is just that - Boring.

The thing that clinched the job was - Gravitas.

A very difficult thing to measure but it is something that can sway a decision either way.

Lisawrx

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Some things just shouldn't sway a decision, but this is the real world, not lisas ideal one.

_Meridian_

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And this is different from an all-male committee how?


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jasey

It's not - but we're not discussing all male committees .

_Meridian_

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Your post implied it.


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Leslie

Its simple,selection should be done purely on merit.

Les