The Zohan

Eight members of paedophile ring found guilty of child **** and sex charges - Telegraph

Eight members of a global paedophile ring were found guilty of a catalogue of child pornography and abuse charges, including the sexual assault of a three-month-old baby

What sentences would you think fair for these vile creatures?

IMHO - they should be lobotomised and locked away for ever given we do not have the death sentence...Maybe used for medical experiments if they are suitable. They gave up any human rights when the chose to commit these terrible and inhumane crime against children and in some cases babies.

There is no excuse for what they have done all that is left is punishment and the safety of other people to consider, not 'their' rights!

Scooby Snacks 23

Was discussing this with my wife last night - we have two young children and were upset to hear this story.

Save on public money, don't put them in prison to be released in a few years and go on some register. Put them in a room with a number of parents - 1 punch or kick each. Simple.

Without wanting to start a big debate on the issue, I am all for bringing back capital punishment - we're too soft in this country.

jasey

Castrate the ******* and cut both their hands off.

unclebuck

Interesting that one of the ring leaders was a prominent gay rights campaigner. This kind of blows a hole in the argument that single sex couples are fit to adopt young children

ronjeramy

iTrader: (1)

Slow and painfull, public exicution, weed the sickos out of the genepool is the only way. Pure evil is what they are.

Markus

Before the "human rights" lot decide to comment, I'll get my 2 pence worth in. Firstly, I don't consider these people to be human, thus they have no human rights, and as such, if correctly convicted without a shadow of a doubt, then they should endure abuse/torture for a prolonged period of time. For example, numb their feet and then take a scalpel and slice into the soles of their feet, then let the anesthetic wear off.

I'm sure there are also more inventive and painful things that could be done to them.

Letting the parents of the kids, or the kids themselves, be able to inflict some pain on them might aid them.

One other option, give them to a scientific research company to perform clinical trials on them. Why should we experiment on animals when there is human stock available. The only problem I have with this is that let's say the experiments allow a cure for cancer, it means that some scum will have had a part in this.

Sadistic, sick and cruel? Yes, it is, but isn't what these non-humans did to the kids also sadistic, sick, and cruel?

jasey

How's that then

AER-SCOOBY

Totally agree with this. Their victims had their human rights removed.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

I don't see how, it shows that this one individual is not fit to go anywhere near kids, penty of abusers are heterosexual, but I would agree that wherever possible, for the childs sake they should be placed with a Heterosexual couple, just for normality but also kids can and do thrive with Gay couples.

As for the actual abusers, god that is a difficult one, havign worked in the general area whilst at the Police I realised that all convicted offenders arent "Uncle Ernie" types, some are young lads that **** an underage girl beleiving her to be older.

They are societys toxic waste, difficult to deal with and difficult to dispose of, they are all different as well, habitual offenders down to someone who got caught with some images on a pc.

I also beleive the media and men in general should stop having such double standards, so anti paedo until a girl turns sixteen then its open season for a shot of her fanny as she exits a car, and then on Shameless the other night, the 16 year old character naked during a sex scene, if she had been three months younger it would have been prosecutions all round.

I personally dont know enough to make a judgement, but the cut their bollocks off thing is just to simplistic and smacks of Sun reader style justice, not saying dont but would that actually stop them ?

j4ckos mate

hang them,

we are too soft,

im convinced there are alot of conspiracy's with this sort of thing,
it turns the stumach of every normal member of the food chain, yet their sentences are small. you will never ever ever convince me any different.

Leslie

I think it is time that this country went back to real penalties which dissuade people from re-offending or from carrying such terrible crimes in the first place. Prison should be an unpleasant place for a start.

With such offences as are being discussed, I reckon that the likelihood of the death penalty would concentrate the mind when it came to temptation! They don't deserve any kind of PC Plonking type of consideration for certain.

Les

Martin2005

OK so the consensus is death penalty for murder and child abuse, fine, I don't agree but I understand the sentiment. But as we are clearly in favour of raising the bar, what punishments should be handed out for lesser crimes i.e.

Theft
GBH
Speeding

Etc etc

Whilst it is utterly impossible to rationalise the actions of child abusers, it is fairly evident that many abusers (whom we now want tortured and killed) were abused children once, for me that muddies the waters a bit, suddenly things are quite so clear cut, not for me anyway.

I think castration is a viable 'cure' to this problem, assuming it utterly removes the urge to abuse children. Failing this permanent imprisonment

Leslie

Surely Martin, if they were abused as children, they should know perfectly well how unpleasant it was, and since they are old enough to know right from wrong, they are even less deserving of an excuse for inflicting such behaviour on other children!

There can be no excuse for carrying out such egregious acts.

Les

Martin2005

You are right there is no excuse, however it happens.

There is a circle of abuse, the abused become the abuser, it's not an excuse, but it is a fact.

I'm far more interested in the protection children than I am in getting off on people being tortured of killed for their crimes. If you can demonstrate that the DP is a likely deterent then I would definitely consider changing my views .

In many ways it would be societies final failure for some of these sad individuals.

MJW

I recently watched a Louis Theroux documentary where he went to a high security hospital in America to see how sex offenders & in particular paedophiles are treated. The 'inmates' had already served prison sentences for their crimes but were kept at the hospital for treatment & supposed rehabilitation into society. The problem is that many of these offenders are totally incurable, even those who'd elected to have voluntary castration. So the only solution is to 'warehouse' them at these hospitals to keep them away from society in general, something which I totally agree with. The death sentence is something I don't really agree with given the many, many miscarriages of justice that occur, but I can understand why people would support it for these kind of heinous crimes.

ronjeramy

iTrader: (1)

There is no deterrent to it though, it's a menal problem, people who do this, just aren't wired up right, no punishment is enough for someone that rapes a baby. Personaly I don't advocate torture, a quick extermination just to rid them from the planet would be enough.

The Zohan

Some People will always find excuses for these people and their crimes, yes some may have been abused as children and somehow that makes it OK for them to repeat the act knowing the fear and pain it caused them they then go onto do the same. I have a family friend who was abused by her father over several years. Somehow she has managed to bring up three lovely children and a relationship with the same man for 16+years. She would defend her kids to the death and is a great mother. Somehow she managed not to abuse her kids, it is not compulsory or even justification, or an excuse - it is a choice some make!

Do you really think that someone having sex with a three month old baby can justify this or feel it is right to do so, or those who view images of such dreadful abuse.
It is wrong, they know it is wrong, why not get help?
No, they still choose to do what they do, no one makes them, or society is full of do-gooders who will help or champion these causes but yet they still chose to commit these awful acts. Nothing can justify it. No matter who you are or what you have been through you know it is wrong, end of!

Castration only removes the physical side, not the mental side. I would suggest lobotomies for these vile creatures, if not then life inside prison, no parole, not time off just life meaning life.

Martin2005

I assume having read read this that you think I'm excusing child abuse, I suggest you re-read my posts.

Of course most people who were abused as children manage to grow up as normal well-balanced members of society, nobody is doubting that. For some though the dehumanising they suffered as children leads to massive mental / physcological damage...again this is not excusing their crimes in any way, but we cannot hope to remedy this problem if we do not try and recognise why it happens.

Executing these people will not 'un-abuse' the children who have suffered, and it is highly unlikely to prevent any future abuse, and therefore it serves no positive purpose, it just becomes an act of state acted revenge, and I'm not sure how that makes this a better place to live!

Chip

In answer to the original question.

Hang them. Simple!

Chip

Chip

As far as I am concerned single sex couples should never be allowed to adopt children. A child should be able to grow up in what would rightfully be considered to be a natural environment, ie having both a mum and a dad, as both have different roles in bringing up a child, something two same sex people will not be able to give to a child.

Chip

boxst

There is quite a difference between a 14-15-16 year old who in some instances certainly looks like a woman and an 8 year old or 3 months old as in this particular case.

As you CAN'T hang / kill / castrate these people it is difficult to know what to do. Unfortunately I would say that it is extremely difficult if not impossible to be 'cured' of a sexual attraction to young girls and boys so these people certainly shouldn't be let out into society.

Steve

Fabioso

I'm not sure about the torture bit. I think everyone is agreed these people should never be allowed out into civilised society again in order to protect the lives they could ruin by doing so.

So what do you do with them ? if hanging isn't an option then I suppose it has to be detained for life. The thing about that Louis Theroux documentary is that it highlighted some kind of soft touch result to this and I don't think anyone would want these kind of indivduals feeling like they were living an easy life. I'd happily pay for them to be excluded from hurting more kids but I don't want to be paying for their sky tv.

Killing them might be the cheaper option but unfortunately we don't as a country have that as a viable legal option.

vindaloo

If we don't want them out and about but we don't want to kill them... That means that we have to pay for their keep! And keep them separated from prison populations, so increasing the cost.

IMO do it once! Prison, rehabilitation, second chance.
Do it again.. Bullet in the head, throw body to the fishes (if they'll have it!).

J.

DazW

iTrader: (1)

Seeing as the other 7 are then are presumably hetro ...does this mean all hetrosexual couples should be banned from adopting?

As a parent I've never understood the problem with single sex couples parenting kids (probably just another outlet for homophobics ) ...2 parents has got to be better than one, no matter the gender? Or is the fear that somehow these kids can be 'turned'?

& my final tuppence, as to what we should do with paedofiliacs? well, probably what we do now, i.e segregate from society & get some understanding of how they work

The problem with replacing the above with capital punishment, is...

a: when we did have it, we kept hanging innocent people & ...

b: an understanding, leads to recognising signs & thus prevention ...far better & safer for my kids in my book, than my initial gut & knee jerk reaction of wanting to wipe them off the face of the planet

The Zohan

Its all about you isn't it!

No,not aimed at you, you are a little more worldly wise and not stuck up your own *** - IMHO

Mus

iTrader: (2)

sharia LAW not no stupid 5 year prison sentance, then they come out with new identity new house and the government looks after them its like the governement is encourging it.

in suadi where i used to live every friday they would gather murders rapist big drug pushers. and they used to excute them in front of the public during the eighties not sure if they still do it, but you hardly ever hear of it happening down there. because people are way too scared to commit such crimes

The Zohan

Assalamu-alaikum

Yes, they still do and no bad thing, a lot less crime and certainly drug related crime there where the pushing and taking is considered a serious crime and dealt with accordingly, for those who say capital punishment does not work, have a look at the states for drug related crime in the ME!

Rape and child molestation are considered differently inasmuch as the leagal age in many Muslim countries is low, maybe 12 or so and judged by the girls first period as makeing her avaliable. Rape requires several male witnesses to com forward, what chance that then. However, UK laws are just as bad in many ways, we give a few month to someone dreivinfg a car who slaughters a child - go figure that one!

Perhaps we should have an arrangement where we send our baby rapists and serious sex offenders to Saudi - it would get my vote!

Mus

iTrader: (2)

walikum al salam paul hope all is good

i agree with the send them to saudi bit that will get my vote evry time.

so what would be the sultion to the problem? do we A) bring back the death sentance and hang them or B) offer them support waste more tax payer money in sitting there and listen to there rotten reasons why they want to do it, and try and explain to them that its wrong. give them like a confidential help line and talk to them and try school them to why its wrong.

rather than getting pissed and talk about what should be done to them i think its better to figure out a sulotion any ideas?