f1_fan

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As we near what will almost certainly be the end of this government's term in power and look towards a Tory government (not even a **** up of Kinnock proportions could see Cameron lose the next election now I think) I was rather hoping that instead of continuing to play political football against the Labout party the Tories might actually start telling us how they intend to improve things in our beleagured country.

Given how low confidence is and how many are currently suffering in the current recession I think it is high time our party elect started giving us some real poilicies rather than wishy washy rhetoric. See here for what I mean:

BBC NEWS | Politics | Cameron vows government 'thrift'

I know many will say that if they give out concrete policy statements Labour will steal them, but that canot be the case now with the election pretty much 12 months away max. It is also in my opinion not the time to play politics, but to stand up and be counted and give the electorate some reality as well as some hope.

Leslie

It seemed to me that what he said was reasonable enough to start with.

Les

Timwinner

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I think it has been hard to make any firm plans until Mr Darling announced his "budget". I speak to members (tory) often and a lot of them are a bit worried about what they are going to inherit.
They feel that they will do 8 years or hard work to get things back on track, it will be viewed negatively due to the un avoidable tax increases and when its all cleaned up Labour will get it back to screw over again.
Time will tell if they are founded concerns or not but I think that now the budget is out of the way and the smoke has cleared we might start seeing some real policies.

However they are in the fortunate position that if they wanted to make no policy at all they will still win the next election by default.

FlightMan

Well, as pi$$ed of as I am with NL, the Tories won't be getting my vote either. Not until they actually tell me what their plans are.

Here's a thought. Why don't both parties actually treat us like adults, rather than children who can't be told the big scary truth?

Jamz3k

Will it really matter who wins the election? They are all showmen anyway so what they say they are going to do and what they actually do are two very different things.

2 ways of securing my vote
1. Kick out foreigners
2. Charity starts at home, no more foreign aid.

mart360

And in doing so lose power
Thats what its all about, control, if you hold control, you can do as you wish with the masses,

if they loose that control, then the games over

if they said your going to be buttf*cked for the next 10 years who would let them in.

promise candy& recovery and people go soppy and give them a chance.

Mart

f1_fan

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That's kind of how I feel. The time for games is over. We need to know what they will do.

Oh and Mart how the hell can they lose power? They could put a monkey up as the next PM elect and still get elected against this shower. That was kind of my point in the OP.

f1_fan

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Les, I agree there is nothing wrong with what they have said in that article, but to my mind it needs some real substance now. Less games, more facts please!

mart360

Mis quote, it wasnt losing power as in getting booted out, it was loosing power as in the power to control. (applies to whoever is in)

does that make sense


Mart

tanyatriangles

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Great idea, the Tories tell us what THEY would do after the election, Lying Labour promptly do it themselves and claim it was their idea all along.

TBH, Cameron would do well to keep schtum until an election is announced

SunnySideUp

The Tories are not getting my vote, obviously ... they offer not one thing new and a lot of old stuff (which was why they were kicked out).

Labour have vast experience, but personally have stitched me up - so, no vote for me there.

Who else?

I may deface my voting paper ... what I will not do is not vote, people died so I may vote and vote I will!

Leslie

Well they are at last beginning to speak out more, but I don't think we will know all their plans until it comes to the next election, for the obvious reasons as was mentioned.

Like you I would like to know more as well, I still find it difficult to sum them up properly yet.

Whatever happens, I have no confidence it this lot's ability to sort out the present mess and I also fear for their future plans for us and this country.

Les

mykp

thats what I feel like at present.

Labour - no "useless and inept" and I dont trust any of them
Con'servative - stepup and tell us why you'd be better
Liberal - not in this life time
Green Party - they want us all riding ethnic piece bicycles and to return to the stone age
BNP - er no!
Monster Raving Looney Party - Hello

greenonedave

I caught a glimps of his speech and noted that despite our period of thrift, he was not going to cut the overseas aid budget. at that point I just gave up !

Deep Singh

The BNP will deliver on both those counts so why are you bothered by the 'showmen' in other parties? You are lucky in that there is a party that caters for your exact and only political needs

Martin2005

Cameron would be mad to be too specific about policy right now, basically he just needs to keep breathing to be the next PM...why risk anything right now?

Gets my vote (obviously with nose held)

jasey

If the BNP & UK Independence Party were to get together I reckon they'd have a reasonable chance of holding the balance of power in the next election.

Of course this would only show just how far the Tories, Labour & Liberals have moved away from the people they are supposed to represent.

Monster Raving Loonies all the way !

tanyatriangles

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What does anyone think of UKIP?

Personally, I'd NOT vote for them because they want us out of Europe.........

Leslie

Our present terms of "being in the Eu" is stifling our country.

Les

f1_fan

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How can he get your vote when you have no idea what his policies are, that's just insanity.

My point is yes if he is just interested in getting elected he can keep quiet, but if he is genuinely interested in the good of the country rather than just playing political football I think the time has come for him to tell us what he will do. After all if as you say he just needs to keep breathing to get elected what is tha harm in it?

Trouble is I doubt he really knows what to do and that is the problem.

Dream Weaver

+1

Although it would be a wasted vote as is the liberal vote.

I will wait and see what the tories say, I think people need to forget what has happened in the past and view them as a new party and see what they suggest.

In simple terms they support capitalism, which is the only way this country can move forward. Socialism is no way to live, we already have a large majortiy of lazy ******* in this country.

tanyatriangles

iTrader: (2)

Would Les, Dave or Dream Weaver like to explain why they are so anti-Europe?

Dream Weaver

Because we are an island and should decide our own fate, not have to adhere to what some numpties in Brussels tell us to do.

We were once a great empire, maybe we should stop being such a bunch of namby pamby PC wusses and become great again, on our own, and sod Europe.

Martin2005

It's not really insanity though is it...broadly we know that the days of Capitalism versus Socialism are long gone, neither party puts themselves on the extreme of either philosophy.

All main parties policies are far more similar than they are different. 95% of public spending will remain unchanged, 95% of taxation will remain unchanged 99% of our foreign policy will be unchanged, 100% of environmental policy will be the same...in all key areas the main parties are very similar.

I just feel that people need a new government, there is far too much cynicism towards this government after 12 years in power, this means they are basically paralysed.

A new government will at least get a clear run at thing for a while. Besides I'd far rather have Cameron as PM than Brown, Cameron is like Blair used to be, young, dynamic, presentable and a LEADER, these are things that can't be said about Brown.

So no not it's insanity, just common sense (for me anyway)

Devildog

People didn't die for you to deface your voting paper Pete.

That's a crock of **** attitude and you know it.

Still, nice to read a politcal post from you that doesn't have your head up new labour's collective ****

Martin2005

It might be worth at least posting up a few of the positives the EU has achieve as well, you know in the name of balance and all that

cster

IMO defacing your ballot paper is a perfectly good option.
It shows you can be bothered to voice your opinion, but that you are not prepared to support the farce that voting in an election can be in this country.
ie 1) you can't vote directly for PM
2)frequently barely more than 40% of the popular vote is good enough for someone to form a government with a "mandate" to tax the $hit out of us and spend big on themselves.
3) for most people (who live in a "safe seat" for someone or other) a vote means even less.
4) there is very little in the way of real choice on offer. Big government tories and small government tories seems to be about it. Obviously the first is a complete oxymoron - so they got voted in
So don't be too hard on Peter - he is right after all.