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Old 12 March 2009, 09:07 AM
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Default Hurricane crashes at North Weald - Noooooooo!

Hopefully not too badly damaged. nose in, just hope no damage to the frame/engine mountings and engine. Pilot OK

It is reported in the Daily Mail not too sure if they made up the part about the pilot crashing whilst swerving to avoid Muslim extremist WW2 anti-war protesters plus a bunch of illegals trying to clean its windscreen.

Only surviving WWII Hurricane crash-lands... six weeks after its £1.5million three-and-a-half year restoration is completed | Mail Online

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Old 12 March 2009, 09:39 AM
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They should have fitted ABS
Old 12 March 2009, 10:20 AM
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Luckily not too badly damaged

Looks like a very impressive restoration!
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I wonder why they said it was the only surviving WWII Hurricane.
It is a MkIIb of which there are a few in airworthy condition around the world. The Shuttleworth collection even have an older Mk1 in airworthy condition.
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We often get WWII aircraft flying over the house here and we're not far from North Weald so I guess that some of them are from the Hanger 11 collection. As soon as I hear the sound of a Merlin or similar I leg it outside to have a look
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Originally Posted by what would scooby do
They should have fitted ABS
They went with 4 x 20mm cannons and bomb racks instead
Old 12 March 2009, 10:56 AM
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the sight and sound of a merlin engined Hurricane or Spit, brings a lump to my throat every time
Old 12 March 2009, 11:58 AM
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Glad pilot is fine and hope the 'plane will soon be back up again.

I believe the the Sea Fury that inverted at Sywell in 2001, decapitating Illmor Engineering co-founder Paul Morgan, was repaired to airworthy condition and sold to the USA. Perhaps someone can confirm this?

BBC - Northamptonshire News - Engine designer's death an accident
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All things being equal,and from the description of the "bunny hopping" after touchdown, it could easily be that he applied the handbrake rather then checking it was off in the downwind pre landing checks.

Certainly will need a new propeller at least, but the crankshaft will also need a stress check which will also be an expensive performance.

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Love seeing the old WW2 planes flying overhead. Quite lucky in Lincolnshire, get to see them more than most. I can only imagine the sight and noise of a group of them flying overhead.
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
the sight and sound of a merlin engined Hurricane or Spit, brings a lump to my throat every time
Glad you said throat
Old 12 March 2009, 12:22 PM
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now hold on a minute how can it cost 1.5million to restore that plane?
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
now hold on a minute how can it cost 1.5million to restore that plane?
STFU

Parts are rare as hens teeth and have to be made from scratch in a lot of cases, not the same spares avaliable as for spits, etc.

More like finding parts for a Vulcan, would you care to donate?

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Old 12 March 2009, 01:05 PM
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Vickers Vimy ??

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...ckers-vimy.jpg

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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
the sight and sound of a merlin engined Hurricane or Spit, brings a lump to my throat every time
Agreed - an amazing sound! One of the best mechanical noises in the world.

Some of you will love this!

YouTube - Spitfire Versus MX2

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK6uNQoBAGY

And this has the Spitfire and Hurricane:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0xR9...ext=1&index=13

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Bit of nostalgia for you


YouTube - Hawker Hurricane II

I was lucky enough to sit in a Hurricane, a MK1 at Duxford. It was in one of the maintenance hangars on an annual inspection. i was taking a few photos and the hangar was pretty empty, one old chap working on the Hurri asked if i would like to get a little closer to photograph it - he was kind enough to show me around it and let me sit in it and take me through the cockpit/instruments - that was a good day.

oh and a bit more modern, Me getting instructed on the start up sequence for an A10 and firing the beast up! another good day out back in 1992

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Originally Posted by Nat21
Glad to hear pilot was ok and the a/c not badly damaged.

Nice to see someone restoring a Hurricane and not a Spit for once!

they don't have air conditioning. they would just open the canopy for a bit.
Old 12 March 2009, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kieran_Burns
they don't have air conditioning. they would just open the canopy for a bit.
ABS and now aircon - it is a 60+ y/o fighter not a fecking exec jet
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Originally Posted by Kieran_Burns
they don't have air conditioning. they would just open the canopy for a bit.
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On second thoughts, I think I was unfair to infer that he might have mistakenly applied the handbrake accidentally during the downwind checks. It is possible that there was a fault in the braking system which meant that the brakes were applied with the handbrake lever off. I don't know if there is hydraulic pressure available from an engine drive pump for the braking system, it will have hydraulic pressure for the undercarriage of course.

That same fault happened to me on a Vulcan once when we were doing circuits and landings one night. There was some residual pressure applied to the left hand brakes and while we were doing the roller landings the left brakes were getting white hot. Eventually all 8 tyres burst on the left wheels which meant we came to a bit of a sideways stop luckily still on the runway. They later found a bit of swarf in the hydraulic fluid under a valve in the braking system which allowed some pressure to the left hand wheel brakes. Only the air traffic controller could see the glowing brakes and he was just about to mention it as the tyres burst.

Its possible that after a complete rebuild that some foreign material might have got into the Hurricane's brake system.

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It looks like he was competing with those American teenagers on Gixxers and R1's pulling daft stunts like endo's !
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Originally Posted by scunnered
I wonder why they said it was the only surviving WWII Hurricane.
It is a MkIIb of which there are a few in airworthy condition around the world. The Shuttleworth collection even have an older Mk1 in airworthy condition.
This particular Hurricane is the only airworthy IIB, the last of the so called Hurri bombers. The BBMF have a pair of Hurricance IIC's and there is also a Mark I and Mark XII airworthy in this country.
The Shuttleworth's example is in fact a sea Hurricane, and again is the only airworthy example of that type.

The Hurri bomber belongs to Hanger 11 at North Weald, see here:

Hangar 11 Collection of Legendary World War II Combat Aircraft. Spitfire, Mustang, Kittyhawk, Hurricane.
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Originally Posted by Nat21
I don't actually mean Shackleton, what's that old old WWI BIG bi-plane called?
My father flew Shackletons with Coastal Command after the war on SAR & maritime reconnaissance missions. He was ideally suited having flown Lancs previously.

He was involved in Operation "Grapple" when Shackletons of Nos. 204 and 206 Squadrons and Canberras of Nos. 76 and 100 Squadrons took off from Christmas Island on weather reconnaissance and sampling sorties. The Shackletons were also used to search the danger area to ensure that it was free of shipping before the "Bomb" was dropped.

Luckily I was born a few years before he went so I don't glow in the dark.
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Bit of nostalgia for you


YouTube - Hawker Hurricane II

I was lucky enough to sit in a Hurricane, a MK1 at Duxford. It was in one of the maintenance hangars on an annual inspection. i was taking a few photos and the hangar was pretty empty, one old chap working on the Hurri asked if i would like to get a little closer to photograph it - he was kind enough to show me around it and let me sit in it and take me through the cockpit/instruments - that was a good day.

oh and a bit more modern, Me getting instructed on the start up sequence for an A10 and firing the beast up! another good day out back in 1992

Paul: I expected you to be a lot older
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Originally Posted by stuart n
This particular Hurricane is the only airworthy IIB, the last of the so called Hurri bombers. The BBMF have a pair of Hurricance IIC's and there is also a Mark I and Mark XII airworthy in this country.
The Shuttleworth's example is in fact a sea Hurricane, and again is the only airworthy example of that type.

The Hurri bomber belongs to Hanger 11 at North Weald, see here:

Hangar 11 Collection of Legendary World War II Combat Aircraft. Spitfire, Mustang, Kittyhawk, Hurricane.
No its not the only airworthy IIb. I could write down the serial numbers of them, but I cant be bothered. So I'll give you just one; AE997 LE-D, civil reg. N33TF.

BE505 XP-L was built in 1942 for the RCAF and never took part in the Battle of Britain.
I cant help thinking, if it bumped its nose during WWII, they'd have just replaced the prop and had it flying again that same day.

Yes, that's correct about the Shuttleworth's being a Sea Hurricane, nevertheless, its still a WWII era Hurricane.

How about this one, R4118 UP-W. In private ownership and available for flypasts and full displays.
49 combat sorties, 5 enemy aircraft shot down, and was itself shot up in the Battle of Britain. This particular Mk1 is said to be the most historic Hurricane to have survived the war.

As I said above, the newspaper got it wrong by saying its the only surviving WWII Hurricane.


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