JPF

iTrader: (1)

Can someone pleas tell me where I can find details on what David Cameron's policies are? What he would be doing to help get out of the recession....this isn't some sarcastic attack on Cameran, I really want to know what he would do. All I can find is a lode of spin and counter spin from both parties and media garbage in the middle. I'd really like to be informed for once.

The Conservative website is just full of SoundBits, government bashing propaganda and wish lists inc a heck of a lot of tax cuts, where are they going to get the money for all the tax cuts alone I have no idea.

Will the match Labours spending or not? if so how will they fund it? "cost cutting" I hear them say, ok, but where? how bout some detail?

If they plan to spend less how, where exactly? what are they going to cut? if they are not cutting but just reducing future spending is that not a form of cut? where are the cuts going to be? who's going to loose there jobs?

Again this isn't meant as a jibe, I just cant find the info I want....does it in fact exist? or is the conservative manifesto one big spinning exercise? I'd like to know if there is an alternative to vote for in the next election and at the moment I'm stuck with the devil you know.

Please resist making this thread an attack on ether party, I'd genuinely like some details on what an alternative government might do Without spin or sarcasm if that's at all possible in this country now.

JPF

iTrader: (1)

lol I'll take it no one knows.

I found this Full text of David Cameron's speech | Politics | guardian.co.uk

I know its out of date but its amazing how someone can go on and on and on and on but still not give any solutions to any of the things he goes on about.

Turbohot

Cameron, as an opposition to the ruling party (for now, anyway), will pick as many holes as possible in Labour way of ruining...........errr........running the country. When his chance comes to pick up the pieces, he will repeat the performance with his utmost capability That's what they all do.

What gobby David needs to watch is his big mouth. He is quite a leader, but he speaks far too much for my choice, like an empty vessel making too much noise. His speeches need to match his actions, otherwise he is doomed.

jasey

To be fair it's taken Nu Labia 10 years to create the biggest **** up of all time - it's gonna take a magician to sort it all out.

Best vote for Paul Daniels

FlightMan

NuLabia should be so far behind in the polls now, you wouldn't see them with a telescope.

Dave's got no idea, and I don't see a change of Govt making any difference. Even though I'd so love to see McBroon dragging his sorry **** out of number 10.

tanyatriangles

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Not sure what cameron might do, but I'm sure it'd be similar to what sh*t-Brown is doing: denying it's his fault, denying anyone saw it coming, denying that we are in for a deeper recession than the rest of the developed world, and refusing to explain just WHY we are

Politicians: trust them even less far than you trust the police

SunnySideUp

You don't really expect to see what the 'Do Nothing Party' propose to do, do you?

unclebuck

Scrap ID Cards
Scrap the DNA database
Scrap Heathrow Third Runway
Get rid of the hundreds of thousands of 'non jobs' in the Public Sector.

That's enough to to be going on with.

Gordo

An opposition government can't really come up with policies until an election is called - Labour would steal the good ideas (e.g. the government backed loan idea to drive liquidity which Labour have under-done and not thought through but have rushed it out to steal it) and would heavily attack things which suit them (e.g. any specifics on cost cutting would be made an emotive rather than practical reality to undo the excess that has been introduced).

Of course the other issue is we don't really live in a democracy - have a look at Labour's previous manifesto to see how little of it is ever delivered in practice, and consider the idiot Mandelson who has been allowed back into front-line politics - don't remember the country voting for that!

Gordo

SunnySideUp

If the Tories have any great ideas then they have a duty of care to the british people to declare them ..... why would they keep secret some answers and watch the country suffer?

Nah, truth is they haven't a clue how to deal with what is going on - all they can do is slag the people off who are actually responsible for delivering the goods ..... which shows them up, IMO.

Gordo

You really believe ID cards would stop terrorism??!!

The public sector is bloated and needs all the pointless jobs cutting out.

I agree Heathrow needs the extra runway if that helps

Gordo

The original poster asked for this not to turn into a political slanging match. Read what I wrote - the Tories are sharing good ideas (e.g. the loan backed guarantees) but can't talk specific policies at this point.

Gordo

SunnySideUp

To steal something implies that it is not given freely (ie NOT sharing good ideas!) ....... anyway, lets not turn it into a slagging match - the OP wanted to know why he could find no Tory Policies, he cannot because they haven't any.

unclebuck

This thread is destined to be ruined by the usual Scoobynet troll.

Bullies always try to shut down debate when they have nothing of value to add.

Sad really. But that's the way it is.

f1_fan

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Even if you think these 'policies' are good ideas none of them are exactly 'cutting edge' or addressng the biigger issues facing the country right now.

While I agree that the ID cards and the DNA database are daft and dangerous ideas right now I really would prefer to know how they intend to improve the economic situation and address law and order for instance. They consistently seem to avoid making any concrete statements on the big issues.

JPF

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we are in deeper due to fact our economy is or was largely based on the financial services , as the problems started in the financial market its no surprise really.

Is it not a better time to play politics when the country is more stable? is it not the duty of all MPs to help where they can rather than bicker like children?. This isn't simply a uk issue, its global and probably the worst thing to happen since ww2. All partys should be working together, there be plenty of time to play the blame game later when things are a bit clearer.

A good point made about not revealing policy now, but if he knows a better way out of the mess we are in, shouldn't he let us know? rather than tell us when it too late.

personally getting fed up with people saying things are being done wrong without giving alternatives, very easy to criticise.

Id also like to know how some people think a global crises can be down to Brown, I can understand how any mistakes can make the situation worse for us, but the global crisis would have happened anyway and both past and present governments did their fare share of de regulation of our banks too.

apologies for any typos its late and Im using my PS3.

JPF

iTrader: (1)

good point.

JPF

iTrader: (1)

Very constructive comment, what **** up are u talking about(said with a good idea) and how exactly was it achieved? or are u just spouting crp u dont know anything about, due to the fact u believe all the crp in papers, and follow what appears to be the mainstream view rather than form opinions of ur own?. I apologies if u do actualy know what u are talking about, maybe u can educate me?

jasey

I figured it was all the original post meritted tbh.

To Summarise your OP;

"I'm a scocialist who loves nu labia and have been on the Tory scum website to see what their policies are. There are none so I figured I wind up those right wing petrolheads on SN. But let's not slag anyone off"



ps If you think Tony Bliar and Gordon Broon are just unfortunate heads of an otherwise great ship - you're more deluded than they are

JPF

iTrader: (1)

So no need for the appology then

I am a socialist at heart yes I think we should all look out for each other, nowt wrong with that as fare as I can see .
Not actually a fan of Labours at all now, I'll admit I was ten years ago, that's why I voted for them , now I'm on the fence TBO, my original post was genuine as believe it or not I like to way up options before I make decisions. I like to make decisions on facts not gossip, rumour and miss information, hence the reason why I spent four months looking at TVs before buying one(my girlfriend finds that hysterical lol), if I had believed all the negative junk about Plasmas I'd have a set I didn't really want now, rather than the joy that is my Panny

I have been loathed to vote conservative due to my life experiences under them, but if they show they can do a better job to me then I may well vote for them, stranger things have happened, so fare though I have seen nothing that makes me want to vote them in, hence the devil you know comment I made.

I also happen to think that what the government has or hasn't done well in the NHS, schools, defence etc is a separate issue to what's happening globally, also if Brown has made it worse or not for us is yet another one.

If I sound biased some times its because I get caught up in all the political arguments an bickering, that I really truthful didn't wont in this thread. wishful thinking on this forum I guess.
We all have a slight bias one way or another but I like to think I am also open minded.

I'm still none the wiser as too how the Conservatives would do better , maybe I need to look at the Liberals.

jasey

I'm very open minded - they're all useless ****** only interested in looking out for themselves.

My toungue in cheek response to you OP showed by exasperation at the whole political infrastructure in the UK.

Time for a Revolution methinks

JPF

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Cool fair play, with you on that one

Leslie

Gordo is right. Cameron can't say what his full agenda will be until there is a General Election. When he suggests an action of some kind, NL will pinch it for their own. Mainly because they are stuck for the best action to take themselves, it would mean going against the worst bits of socialism which are their mantra, and also their actions so far for buying votes.

I can't say whether I think yet whether Cameron would be any better until I know more. At least he is Eurosceptic which I approve of, and I really can't see him doing any worse than the clowns in charge now. You would really have to work at it to do that!

I prefer to blame the present incompetents and self seekers for what they are doing and have done, and wait to see what else we are offered at election time.

Les

JPF

iTrader: (1)

"and also their actions so far for buying votes." ? can you elaborate on that one?

SunnySideUp

Lets get this straight ... what you are saying then is that the Tories 'should' keep secret their 'magic bullet' which will solve the pain and agony the UK is going through?

If they are doing that then they deserve to disappear as a party...... who cares if Labour takes their good ideas and uses them to help the whole of the UK? I don't! and neither will the voting public - they are not stupid, they will see if the Tories actually have anything useful to offer.

In truth, they propose to "Do Nothing!" which is an absolute disgraceful way to act.

JPF

iTrader: (1)

Its a shame our parties cant do the Obama thing and get there heads together, Obama has people in his office that he knows will disagree on some things so he can explore alternatives and see if he is actually correct in the direction he is going, from what I understand is office is partly cross party? I know their system is different to ours but we really need our parties working together, who did what and when can be argued over an election later, not when the country is in the sht.

If Cameron does have any ideas he should be telling us, he doe's seem to agree to some of the governments spending but at the same time says its wrong and will cost us in the long run(he's very good at stating the obvious), it confuses the hell out of me. If he has no good alternatives then he should stop squawking and let people get on with fixing things. its like a passenger on the Titanic harking on at the captain about how the ships sinking and why didn't he see the great big bloomin ice burg?!, whilst the ships merrily sinking!, if you cant help then get out of the bloomin way.

Leslie

There won't be a magic bullet as you say. Recovery from this will takes a very long time and it will be a long uphill "graft" until the good times are back. We have both seen this before of course. It will take some very strong leadership and hard decisions. I don't know if Cameron has those qualities, as I said, we will have to see when the electioneering starts.

Where did this business about the Conservatives doing nothing come from? Have I missed something somewhere-when did they say that? Or is that all that Flash can think of to say at the moment?

Surely it is the duty of the opposition to attack the government for their mistakes. They seem to make a pretty good fist of that in the Commons. When you think about it, there does not seem to be that much point in trotting out all their ideas now about how it should be done when it cuts across socialist ideals which this bunch would never change, right or wrong. Best to wait until an election and then let us decide.

Les

warrenm2

HAHAHA - Sorry Les, but Camerons first promise was for the Conservatives to leave the EPP in the Euro Parliament - he broke it. He has now brought Europhile Ken Clarketo the front bench. He will not offer a referendum on EU membership. If you want to get out of the EU you have to vote UKIP Im afraid

Martin2005

.... and start believing in fairies at the bottom of the garden, wear a straight jacket, put your underpant on your head, and stick 2 pencils up your nose, these are all essential if you are going to vote UKIP