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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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BBC NEWS | UK | Calls for 'speed-limiting' cars
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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It makes overtaking an interesting proposition doesnt it
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 09:38 AM
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They have been talking about this for years, its not new and just seems to have resurfaced again. The clip in the video is a mk1 fabia with the system fitted and this was demonstrated nearly 5 years ago IIRC. The video clip dates back to this news item in 2003.

BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Experts test 'intelligent' cars
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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Apparently it will help fight climate change Not when I'm doing 30mph at WOT in 1st gear it bloody won't.
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 10:20 AM
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Apparently it will help fight climate change Not when I'm doing 30mph at WOT in 1st gear it bloody won't.
Ah, but the next phase involves a big waggly finger mounted on the dash, and a synthesised nanny voice that tells you to change to a more environmentally considerate gear. Since getting all the speed limits into a database that will be lost on the train the very next week will cost a lot of money they will then decide to have a blanket 20 mph limit everywhere...
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 10:24 AM
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I can see a market appearing for cheap GPS jammers....

Edit: Damn ... beaten to it: Car Use GPS Jammer | Tayx

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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 10:26 AM
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As long as it remains voluntary, I volunteer not to do it
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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as I think will lot of people

Stick a big lead plate over the top of it
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surely this would have a huge knock on effect to the economy. For instance, if all cars were resricted to the speed limit only, then nobody (or significantly less people) would want to buy prestige/sports/performance cars, so companies that make these cars will make less of them which will put people jobs at risk, tuning and modified car parts companies will go out of business etc etc etc
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 10:37 AM
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A mindlessly stupid and dangerous idea.

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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 10:41 AM
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And what would be the point of having money making equipment (speed camara's) at the side of the road losing all the revenue they bring the Govm.
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 11:06 AM
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This is absolutely ridiculous.

All you have to do is spend a few days in an Asian city and you'll see where the pollution problems are.
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thin end of the wedge. once the database is complete they will start to promote the voluntary use of the devices.

Then show with spinned figures how amazing they are....which in turn will lead to tax incentives to have them fitted to your car....with eventual tax disincentives if you don't. Before finally making it compulsive to have one.

Jammers won't work either......as once they are compulsory if your car falls off the net you will get a fine.
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 11:34 AM
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The only limiting I think they should do is stop cars doing over 100mph on roads afterall there isn't any point going faster than that under normal driving circumstances plus traffic really dont allow it, the track is a different matter
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 11:41 AM
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Sounds dangerous to me. Worse still than speed camera's which obviously take our attention away from the road and onto the dash, as I fear a lot of us and myself absolutely included would just turn our brains off and stop paying attention to the road.

What about the extraordinary circumstances like trying to get someone to hospital, or evading terrorists ...in and outside of shopping centres
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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Hey, here's a revolutionary idea! Why not make the driving test longer and more relevant to modern driving, including motorway driving and how to control a car in an emergency or poor weather conditions. Then force a retest every 10 years. Apply it to all new drivers and everyone who loses their licence.

Eventually, you have higher driving standards and you've created jobs.
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Put a speed limiter on my car............. They'll have to catch me first!
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I never thought about what would happen on a track. I don't fancy going round Knockhill at 60!

Originally Posted by NotoriousREV
Hey, here's a revolutionary idea! Why not make the driving test longer and more relevant to modern driving, including motorway driving and how to control a car in an emergency or poor weather conditions. Then force a retest every 10 years. Apply it to all new drivers and everyone who loses their licence.

Eventually, you have higher driving standards and you've created jobs.

I totally agree. I know far too many people (females especially) who seemed to fluke it on the day and don't actually have a clue how to drive properly.

Saying that my mum is possibly the worst driver I have ever seen. No concept of space, drives at 30 everywhere, refuses to drive on the motorway and I've never ever seen her look in the mirror... for road purposes anyway
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 12:34 PM
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welcome to the police state... version 3.0
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 04:28 PM
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Ill get my slicks on pre order, I'd rather track her than stick a limiter on it
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 05:30 PM
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Might stop ***** driving under the speed limit, just to be on the safe side?
Doubt it though.
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
A mindlessly stupid and dangerous idea.

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That doesn't sound like NuLabour at all.

I love the fact they claim it will decrease accidents by 29%. Just which ****-sucking civil servant scum bag sat and devised that figure? As every car enthusiast knows, even the governments OWN figures don't say speed is the primary cause for accidents. (IIRC its 3% of the accidents that are cars flying off the road for driving too fast)
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 05:39 PM
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theres a big difference between driving fast and driving like a complete A-hole. Its the latter thats the worse IMO
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Luminous
thin end of the wedge. once the database is complete they will start to promote the voluntary use of the devices.

Then show with spinned figures how amazing they are....which in turn will lead to tax incentives to have them fitted to your car....with eventual tax disincentives if you don't. Before finally making it compulsive to have one.

Jammers won't work either......as once they are compulsory if your car falls off the net you will get a fine.
You're not 'Deep Throat' are you? Sounds pretty much on the nail to me.
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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"cars will safely reduce speed" - from that video, it looked as if the car broke harshly down to the speed limit, with no idea if somone was travelling closely behind it.

as john connor said, i think i need to live off the grid.
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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this is just the trial to soften up the public before it becomes compulsory - see EU regulation EU 2004/52 http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...24:0143:EN:PDF which is to do with electronic toll charging it initially appears, but in reality lays the groundwork for speed limiting by GPS. This has ALREADY been passed and is due to be implemented using the white elephant Galileo satellite system
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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buy a cheap car in france . use it here. Saves a fortune on fines etc .
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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I read this limiter will help to reduce Co2 emmissions by around 6% a year.
If the government are so concerned about Co2 why don't they stop their plans to increase the size of Heathrow and Stansted airports, expanding them will increase Co2 by 20%. Sorry I forgot, the motorist is the cash cow of this government
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this is a bit off topic but something that has been bothering me is why are the government spending millions on getting everyone converted to digital TV?? What benefit does it have and surely the money could be better spent elsewhere ??

sorry rant over ....
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Originally Posted by rr_ww
That doesn't sound like NuLabour at all.

I love the fact they claim it will decrease accidents by 29%. Just which ****-sucking civil servant scum bag sat and devised that figure? As every car enthusiast knows, even the governments OWN figures don't say speed is the primary cause for accidents. (IIRC its 3% of the accidents that are cars flying off the road for driving too fast)
What makes you think that I am likely to sound like NL then?

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