Any BT/phone line experts on here?
14 October 2008, 04:29 PM
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Any BT/phone line experts on here?
Hello.
When I moved into my house it had two different phone numbers. Phone number 2 had just one socket in an upstairs bedroom. We had this line disconnected. The socket is still upstairs in that bedroom.
Is it possible to get this socket in the bedroom reconnected but as the main number of the house ie the one I retained? If so, how?
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When I moved into my house it had two different phone numbers. Phone number 2 had just one socket in an upstairs bedroom. We had this line disconnected. The socket is still upstairs in that bedroom.
Is it possible to get this socket in the bedroom reconnected but as the main number of the house ie the one I retained? If so, how?
Thanks
14 October 2008, 04:45 PM
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Do you want that socket to be an extension to your current (live) master socket? Or do you want to swap so that the socket in the bedroom becomes the master socket and the other one is disabled?
14 October 2008, 04:57 PM
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the quick free way (apart from cable costs) is to just reroute the cable from the bt side that goes to the current live socket, and connect it to the disconnected socket. Only 2 wires
** disclaimer - I will also add that it is illegal to tamper with bt wires outside of your property
** disclaimer - I will also add that it is illegal to tamper with bt wires outside of your property
14 October 2008, 05:00 PM
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Look inside the sockets, if there is another telephone cable in there as well as the main incoming cable, then chances are they were linked before the 2nd line was installed, thus can be re-joined again using that cable.
14 October 2008, 05:14 PM
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CD, I don't want the pre existing one disabled. I just want to be able to run my broadband in that room.
Jay, I want to keep the other sockets working aswell.
Scooby L, thanks I'll have a look see
Jay, I want to keep the other sockets working aswell.
Scooby L, thanks I'll have a look see
14 October 2008, 05:35 PM
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14 October 2008, 05:47 PM
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Hmmm. I had a similar problem. Two lines to the house. I asked BT to give me one line (phone + BB) and it came in on the 'original' line. The second line came into a bedroom/office and stopped at a master socket. The 'original' line came in god-knows-where and did about 14 circuits of the house using all sorts of cheap/dodgy phone cable. So, for ease of 'maintenance and trouble shooting' I wanted the physical lines swapped over. The lines came into different corners of the house but both went back overground to the same pole , thus same junction box.
Ringing BT was a no-no. They wanted to disconnect the existing line then re-connect the new line. Up to 3 weeks later. I said I just want a man out to swap the lines over on the pole but this was 'not able to be computed' ..... BT's systems couldn't handle that specific request.
I talked to 2 Openreach engineers about it and they came along, did the job for me and went away with a brown beer toekn each .. job done!
So, the moral of the story, go talk to the guys that would actually do the work. The BT Openreach guys. Look for a van locally and go chat to them. Worked for me.
Dave
Ringing BT was a no-no. They wanted to disconnect the existing line then re-connect the new line. Up to 3 weeks later. I said I just want a man out to swap the lines over on the pole but this was 'not able to be computed' ..... BT's systems couldn't handle that specific request.
I talked to 2 Openreach engineers about it and they came along, did the job for me and went away with a brown beer toekn each .. job done!
So, the moral of the story, go talk to the guys that would actually do the work. The BT Openreach guys. Look for a van locally and go chat to them. Worked for me.
Dave
14 October 2008, 05:53 PM
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You'll need microfilters in you master socket and on the extension.
23 October 2008, 06:20 PM
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In which case the existing socket is of no use as it's a BT master socket. These are different to extension sockets as they have a bell capacitor within them. You need to wire an extension off your live master socket up to the bedroom. Use CAT5 Ethernet cable (preferably the screened variety) from the master socket as it's much better for ADSL the normal telephone cable. Take of the face plate and there are terminals for wiring in extensions, don't connect the bell wires, you only need two wires going up to the extension socket. Google it, there are plenty of guides as to what wire goes where.
You'll need microfilters in you master socket and on the extension.
You'll need microfilters in you master socket and on the extension.
I took off the face plate in the bedroom, it has two sockets on the face plate if that makes any difference.
Inside there are only two wires connected an orange and white one. There is a black wire and green wire, neither of which are connected
Does this change anything? Can I defo not use this as an extension somehow? Its just that running an extension from the existing master to the bedroom will be a pain as they are on opposite sides of the house.
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23 October 2008, 08:00 PM
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You shouldnt have any problems wiring up the master socket in your bedroom off the other master socket best to use a white/colour so you dont get mixed up (they should be twisted), pretty easy to do, you just need a pair of pliers or a small screwdriver, unless you have a krone tool 
Here for a bit of help UK Telephone Wiring
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best to use a white/colour so you dont get mixed up (they should be twisted), pretty easy to do, you just need a pair of pliers or a small screwdriver, unless you have a krone tool Here for a bit of help
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24 October 2008, 09:32 AM
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You shouldnt have any problems wiring up the master socket in your bedroom off the other master socket best to use a white/colour so you dont get mixed up (they should be twisted), pretty easy to do, you just need a pair of pliers or a small screwdriver, unless you have a krone tool
Here for a bit of help UK Telephone Wiring
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best to use a white/colour so you dont get mixed up (they should be twisted), pretty easy to do, you just need a pair of pliers or a small screwdriver, unless you have a krone tool Here for a bit of help
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One end of the BT cable ends in the bedroom socket with the white and orange wires connected. The socket is a master with bell capacitor, but I could easily change this for a slave socket, correct?
The other end of that cable ends at my real master socket, but is not connected, its just lying loose. I could reconnect it to the master and then hey presto it should work right?
On another point. This cable is 5-10 years old if not more. I'm going to be using this extension for broadband connection (over which I'll be streaming napster music/internet radio) Would this be ok or should I change it for Cat5?
Many thanks
24 October 2008, 01:39 PM
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Yep you can just connect it, and if you want you can change it to a slave socket, though you dont have to, and as long as you dont have more than 5 extensions your ok anyway
As for the cable, yes it may be a little old but it doesnt decay like external cabling which gets weathered, and the main problem with the external cabling is from the pole to the house, the temperature changes crack the plastic coating (plus the birds that sit on it etc) so thats meant to be changed every 10 years, but most of those exchanges out there have had the same cables in there for 15 years with no issues or degredation, so you will be ok on the original cable/twisted pair
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As for the cable, yes it may be a little old but it doesnt decay like external cabling which gets weathered, and the main problem with the external cabling is from the pole to the house, the temperature changes crack the plastic coating (plus the birds that sit on it etc) so thats meant to be changed every 10 years, but most of those exchanges out there have had the same cables in there for 15 years with no issues or degredation, so you will be ok on the original cable/twisted pair
Tony
24 October 2008, 02:24 PM
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Yep you can just connect it, and if you want you can change it to a slave socket, though you dont have to, and as long as you dont have more than 5 extensions your ok anyway
As for the cable, yes it may be a little old but it doesnt decay like external cabling which gets weathered, and the main problem with the external cabling is from the pole to the house, the temperature changes crack the plastic coating (plus the birds that sit on it etc) so thats meant to be changed every 10 years, but most of those exchanges out there have had the same cables in there for 15 years with no issues or degredation, so you will be ok on the original cable/twisted pair
Tony
As for the cable, yes it may be a little old but it doesnt decay like external cabling which gets weathered, and the main problem with the external cabling is from the pole to the house, the temperature changes crack the plastic coating (plus the birds that sit on it etc) so thats meant to be changed every 10 years, but most of those exchanges out there have had the same cables in there for 15 years with no issues or degredation, so you will be ok on the original cable/twisted pair
Tony
24 October 2008, 03:26 PM
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if your going to run it extnl use a black cable as this as weather resistant plastic ( it as carbon added to resist cracking) and will not brittle with age
26 October 2008, 08:56 PM
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