mart360

Nice to know our interests are being looked after

PM in vow to scrap cluster bombs - MSN News UK - news & weather


obviously far more important than


Brown: High oil prices here to stay - MSN News UK - news & weather


So reaching out connects him to us,


Many people would like to reach out and show him how they feel at the mo



Mart

bigsinky

six degrees of separation mate. we are all related.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

So preventing the deaths of innocent civilians is less important than the fact it costs you a couple of quid more to fill up your tank.

That is some perspective on life you have there!!

warrenm2

Yawn! Are you joining PB and Martin in the chocolate starfish army?

As for me - UN Peace Prize should go the US Marine Corps

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

What are you? 12 years old FFS

Come back when you have something intelligent to say. I guess it will be a long wait though

warrenm2

Never stops you though does it? I ridicule your posts for that very reason

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Oh that was ridicule was it? Sorry I mistook it for a childish jibe speculating about my sexual preferences presumably because you are unable to come up with anything more intelligent hence my request. Anyway haven't you got school tomorrow?

warrenm2

Mr Pot - meet Mr Kettle

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

You made the childish comment hence I am treating you like one, it's really not hard to understand despite your attempts to make it so.

warrenm2

Or maybe youre too thick to understand it? Maybe its a reference to the fact you seem to have your head up your ***

Anyway enough of the love-in, back OT. Brown has his socialist commitments dont you know. Those Unions need to be appeased some how and he's spent all the cash....

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I think we all know what you meant. Let's not try and be clever, it doesn't suit you too well.

PS Newsflash - Brown ain't no socialist, please try and understand this.

David Lock

Putting aside the handbags at dawn discussion above cluster bombs are evil vicious things. And yes they are far more important than a couple of pence per litre.

On the oil side I just heard Brown say on the news that bringing in a couple of new North Sea oilfields on stream is going to secure UK supplies. He knows that's bollox and we know that's bollox

dl

Shark Man

Hey you two...

get a room!

phil_wrx

iTrader: (2)

war is hell

zs_phil

iTrader: (1)

agree ,my brother served in iraq and kosovo and afgan but have i ever asked him about it no i havnt because im not really bothered at the minute i do care about petrol prices because id rather save the money and spend it on my kids.

o and them cluster bombs they are banned in the uk now and every country cannot stockpile them here except for one country USA what is all that about .
america probably have enough clusterbombs to clusterbomb the entire british isle's

ScoobyWon't

doesn't that article say we, the UK, have them? :comfused:

I expect Gordon will sell them to Iraq...

Leslie

As I understand it, they have already got plenty lying about the place.

Les

Martin2005

You are the first to bemoand the lack of respect in our country, so why do you show such scant respect for some people on here.

I can't speak for the other you choose to insult, but you must be an absolute right wing wacko, if you consider my moderate positions on most subjects to be 'lefty' or 'socialist'

Maz

iTrader: (34)

If you idolise the Americans that much why don't you go over there?

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Your crime is the failure to share his opinion.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

I personally dont want to pay taxes to a goverment that uses stuff like that, ok war is nasty but unexploded bomblets and landmines killing and maiming kids is actually quite important. Ok fuel prices affect us all, in real time but I would prefer to see an X5 4.8is driver pass out at the petrol station kiosk than see a photo of a 4 year old kid without any legs.

We have a pretty dire financial situation going on in the Uk at the moment but I dont think worthy initiatives should stop so we can wallow more effectively in the misery of things being more expensive, my kids may have to not get dropped off at friends 15 miles away by car on a whim, but on the plus side I wont see them jump 20 feet in the air and be scattered over a wide area when they play in our garden.

Ok, the yanks arent so bothered but if the Uk and other countries do something then maybe they might get the point, unlikely but at least our conscience is clean.

dpb

Whilst busily preparing the ground for the Brown family intrests - nuclear

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Well said Jacko.

stilover

I don't see why we should ban them. In war innocent people get hurt. Look at the Second world war. Did the Germans give a hoot that they might kill an innocent British person? No. Did we with them? No.

I can see the argument for banning them, but TBH, I'd rather we had/used them that someone else using them on us.

Do suicide bombers care if they kill innocent victims? No. What's the difference. We kill innocent people, so do they.

It is a war afterall. Maybe we should settle our differences with a Football match? Actually, with our England team that's probably a bad idea.

dpb

Because someone has to take the initiative.



Rest of your post isnt worth responding to

SetoN

I Agree.

Infact cluster bombs arnt actually designed to kill people. They are designed to blow up runways and millitary bases leaving unexpolded shels behind so that they cant just go and repair them once we have stopped bombing them.

They are not used in built up civilian areas for obvious reasons. So unless the enemy millitants have decided to use the local school kids to clear up the rubble from their base, there should'nt be any 4 year olds with their legs blown off.

SetoN

PeteBrant

Well considering child soldiers aren't uncommon in certain parts of the world, that isn't altogether unlikely.

If you were the head of a military junta, who would you use to clear minefields or airstrips with clusters bombs? Trained soldiers or expendable civilians?

You can't measure everything by how it work here.

As for the use of cluster bombs, we have a responsbility to take a lead in things like this and land mines etc.
Ther eis incontravertible evidence that they cause absolute carnage amongst civilians long after the warring factions have cleared off.

Just because some of our enemies might not have any qualms about killing civilians does not mean we should cat the same.

The same applies to toture, the use of chemical weapons all sorts of things that can cause unnecessary harm to civilian populations.

Torquemada

Watched something last night showing where some yanks had dumped a load of cluster bombs on a convoy that was trying to flee from them or something. Didn't look like a runway to me....
I'm sure there are other methods of blowing people/runways up that don't have to leave unexploded bombs everywhere.

Forgot to say, I in no way think that what is on the news is always absolutely factual so what I saw may have been something else entirely. I would still say that they aren't only used miles away from civilian inhabited areas though.

SetoN

What you think i dont know about them using civilians to do their dirty work? Course i do, but then thats not the cluster bombs fault is it? If your thinking that much into it, you might as well stop the production on all bombs as most smart millitia will position their bases next to schools or keep children in their HQ unknown to their attackers. Then they throw the dead bodys on the street so we sat at home can get a good look on the news on how another child gets killed in the raids. Clever really.

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

High oil prioces here to stay, eh?

Unlike Gordon Brown, then!