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BBC NEWS | England | No charges after robber's death

The Chief

Brilliant

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

Aye a bit of justice for a change. Man deserves an award for saving us all a bunch of cash looking after that useless ******.

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The Zohan

It does restore some faith - good on 'im and the added bonus of one less scumbag prepared to carry and use a knife.

lozgti

Oh God.Please don't let that Chakrabati woman wotsit come out for a moan

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

PeteBrant

Right decision given the evidence - And i think this is fairly consistant how these things are played out. I can't think of any of the top of my head where someone has been prosecuted for defending themselves in this manner.

Snug Rhino

As above, it was never going to go any other way and if it did it would be a first of its kind.

cster

Yeah, it's usualy only if you chase them to finish off the job or shoot them in the back with a shotgun from such close range that not even a single pellet is found in the corpse

PeteBrant

Precisely

spireite

Let this be a lesson to all the knife wielding scumbags out there

jonny_693

iTrader: (5)

If only that was legal. Tony martin is a legend in my opinion So is Tony Singh now for that matter.

PeteBrant

What, manslaughter you mean? Yeah it's a real bind that you can't just kill on a whim. Bloody lefties ruining everything

jonny_693

iTrader: (5)

If someone gets shot/stabbed, whatever while committing a burglary its justice as far as im concerned. If MOST Thieves thought there was a chance they might get shot/stabbed, whatever maybe they'd think twice about commiting the crime in the first place!

PeteBrant

Trouble is, it's a bit of a carte blanche to murder isn't it. I mean bit of a risk relying on people not to abuse the system.


"Yeah had to shoot him in the face didn't I, I mean he was on me property. What's that? Yeah that's right, that is the bloke I swore I would reap terrible vengeance on, well, well what are the chances?"

lozgti

Think the problem is most thieves don't think much will happen to them even if they get caught.

Weird really living in a country where crooks don't seem to worry about the consequences of breaking the law and what the alleged 'proper authorities' would have in store for them.A playstation and a warm bed.

He certainly wasn't expecting that kind of justice meted out

PeteBrant

If you are driven to a point where you see crime as a serious option, then potential jail time is not going to stop you whether you are locked up in a cell spacious cell with an armchair or a 3 foot square cell with a spike to sit on.

See the rest of the world for examples - No country is crime free, and the States, which everyone holds up as having the hardest time there is for criminals has worse reoffending rates than us.


Having no playstation and a cold bed (not that playstations are common place in prisons) would zero effect on the crime rate.

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

True but it does have a serious effect on the tax rate by not providing luxury accomodation in the first place.

5t.

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

You live by the sword, you die by it! Justice would appear to have been well served here!

spireite

think you may have misread it wasn't a sword ,it was a knife

PeteBrant

Luxury accomodation????! Have you ever been in a prison?

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

That's not a knife......THIS is a knife!

Brendan Hughes

(Detour into Four Yorkshiremen sketch...)

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

Exactly. If you can sue for slopping out now. Have a playstation, gym etc etc the latest complaints being the lack of privacy because cells have to be shared at what point do you stop.

Don't get what your point is Pete. First off you say you want people sat on a spike then apparently prisons are nasty enough as is. Which side are you arguing for?

5t.

PeteBrant

I wasn't arguing for people to be sat on spikes - I was making the point that prison is prison - How harsh it is has little effect on whether you are going to commit a crime.

With regards to "luxury" in prisons - not really.

Look at somewhere like Peterhead. They slop out still (which should be illegal by the way) because they can't afford to install toilets. Anecdotal of course, but Wormwood Scrubs is one of the most truly horrible places I have ever been in.

The purpose of prison is to punish and rehabilitate, not to punish and humiliate.

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

As you said though - rehabilitation, spending a fortune on these courses doesn't work. The crime levels are no different now to what they used to be.

A good case point is that guy in Texas with his pink pyjama prison. He's criticised because he doesn't really do rehabilitation. He argues that prisoners at his jail get out of bed and go to work on chain gangs so they can build a work ethic. He also points out that reoffending rates at his prison are exactly the same as at a 'regular' prison except his cost $10m a year to run not $100m

Prison should not be somewhere people want to go, seems like it worked on you. And agreed, sloppign out isn't a good thing but to be awards several grand in compensation for breaches of human rights is a joke.

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Deep Singh

See I've always told you guys.....Don't mess with the Singhs

hectic

Was that Tony the Turbanator??

lozgti

The soft view is

Still thing that the thought of a horrific existance,not a human retraining course is a better deterrent

PeteBrant

It isn't - In the same way that being killed until dead for Murdering someone isn't a deterrent - The US has the death penalty, the UK doesn't - Which has the higher murder rate?