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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:08 AM
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Why not send them back instead of wasting money?

BBC NEWS | England | London | Asylum centre rampage 'planned'
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:10 AM
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If any asylum seeker has caused criminal damage. Simple: criminal charge = asylum automatically refused and deported back to country of origin.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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It's difficult to argue for any other course of action.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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I thought of a great idea a few years back.. You can't always send them home as you dont know where they came from but if you load them all up into an old oil tanker/cruise ship that needs to be scrapped you can just set it out to sea.. Problem gone
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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Why has this turned into a poll?
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:18 AM
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"Apply UK justice?"

That will frighten the life out of them i bet...
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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Same thing happened near where I live, yarls wood you may remember got burned down a few years back. Arguments still over who should foot the 80mill+ rebuild costs.

Why do they even exist, apply for asylum then if successful, get granted uk entry, not after. Their problems in their home country are not our problem!
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
It's difficult to argue for any other course of action.
What if they need dialysis?
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:57 AM
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What if they need dialysis?
Phnurk!
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 11:57 AM
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Trouble is, the administration of British justice is as weak as water now.

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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
What if they need dialysis?
I think you know the answer to that

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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 12:06 PM
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A great philosopher once said "if the roofs on fire homie Let them burn let them burn"

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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Trouble is, the administration of British justice is as weak as water now.

Les
And yet you promote making arbitary exceptions, further weakening its position, go figure!
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
What if they need dialysis?
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
And yet you promote making arbitary exceptions, further weakening its position, go figure!
Cobblers.


It's perfectly feasible to have a strong justice system that has recognised exceptions.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Why has this turned into a poll?
1. I am not Gordon Brown so therefore value other peoples opinions.
2. Peoples opinions count.
3. We are a democracy with the right to vote (allegedly, see reply 1).

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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Cobblers.


It's perfectly feasible to have a strong justice system that has recognised exceptions.
Name one.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Name one.

If they're feeling slightly ill.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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Given their nationalities I cannot understand why they are asylum seekers at all - I would send them straight back.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:58 PM
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Shouldn't there be a 4th option: "Employ rule 303"?
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Name one.
What do you mean "name one" It happens all the time. What sort of question is that?

All that has been suggested is that an exceptions be made in severe cases - exceptions be made in all sorts of circumstances - it happens in all walks of like.

Doesn't mean your policy is weak just because you have exceptions to the rule.
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Originally Posted by stilover
If they're feeling slightly ill.
Yeah 'cos cancer and kidney failure is "feeling slightly ill"


Man, don't me wipe the floor with the pair of you in another thread - you've been shown up enough already
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Yeah 'cos cancer and kidney failure is "feeling slightly ill"


Man, don't me wipe the floor with the pair of you in another thread - you've been shown up enough already
Well the Poll on "The other thread" says 112/5. So you are wiping the floor with no one. Certainly not me.

All you did on the other thread was quote Government reports for LEGAL immigrants, when the thread was about ILLEGAL immigrants.

You also suggested that every other website would have had a different result, and Scoobynet is visited mostly by right wing morons.

I fail to see how you've wiped the floor with anyone.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
All you did on the other thread was quote Government reports for LEGAL immigrants, when the thread was about ILLEGAL immigrants.
Not quite
Originally Posted by stilover
You also suggested that every other website would have had a different result, and Scoobynet is visited mostly by right wing morons.
Again I think you slightly missed the point.
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I fail to see how you've wiped the floor with anyone.
Never mind, I'm sure you'll get there eventually
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
What do you mean "name one" It happens all the time. What sort of question is that?
Originally Posted by Leslie
Trouble is, the administration of British justice is as weak as water now.
So Les considers the current British Justice system to be weak. You say a justice system can be strong and still have excpetions. Please tell me which justice system in the world has a strong laws on immigration and yet make exceptions.

All that has been suggested is that an exceptions be made in severe cases - exceptions be made in all sorts of circumstances - it happens in all walks of like.
And yet
But the head of the Border and Immigration Agency, Lin Homer, has told the home affairs select committee that hers did not stand out from other difficult cases.
BBC NEWS | Wales | MP defends removing cancer woman
it would seem it wasn't an exceptional case anyway.

Doesn't mean your policy is weak just because you have exceptions to the rule.
I disagree. If you make an exception because somebody is ill, then it's very hard to not make the same exception if somebody else is ill. Then it's a case of which illness do you have to have to qualify and the whole thing becomes unenforcable, which is to a certain extent where we are now.

They have now set up a fund to pay for the woman's treatment so feel free to contribute: BBC NEWS | Wales | Appeal fund to help African woman
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK

They have now set up a fund to pay for the woman's treatment so feel free to contribute: BBC NEWS | Wales | Appeal fund to help African woman

I already have.

I could reply to each of your points in turn - but it would be a pointless excercise, I'm not going to continue this circular argument any further - I think we all know where we stand - You're not going to convince me and vice versa. End of.

If you see this as a cop out, fine, I really don't care.
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
I already have.
Bollox

Easy to say, hard to prove.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
Bollox

Easy to say, hard to prove.
I think you'll find I have to prove precisely **** all to you.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
I think you'll find I have to prove precisely **** all to you.

That's because you haven't given to the fund that's why.
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