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Old 23 November 2007, 03:17 PM
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I saw, probably for the first time I can think of, a tanker marked avaition fuel this morning.

How do they move it around, you never really see it and the industry must guzzle mega gallons of it.

Is it piped around the country?
Old 23 November 2007, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip Sengravy
How do they move it around
In a tanker obviously if you saw one this morning
Old 23 November 2007, 03:24 PM
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Answers by PM only please, too many d1ckheads on here
Old 23 November 2007, 03:27 PM
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There are pipelines that feed Heathrow and Gatwick - they run for miles and are actually part of the CNI (critical national infrastructure) - one of them came from Buncefield. Exact locations are generally not disclosed for obvious reasons but you will sometimes come across them when buying houses or land as it is noted where the pipelines run and there are restrictions on building on them.
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Details of some of the pipelines can be found here : Linewatch - Pipe network

You can drill down and see that the pipe from Buncefield to Heathrow is currently operating at 1200psi - just what you need to know on a Friday afternoon!

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Old 23 November 2007, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
Details of some of the pipelines can be found here : Linewatch - Pipe network

You can drill down and see that the pipe from Buncefield to Heathrow is currently operating at 1200psi - just what you need to know on a Friday afternoon!

Good find!

Interesting stuff, the shell line is 250mm bore @ 1400 psi, that's a serious amount of fuel delivery
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I used to fix the PC that controlled the pipelines from Fawley refinery to Heathrow, Gatwick and Birmingham. Sophisticated operation it was, all run by an IBM AT PC!

The Heathrow pipline runs right through Blacknest Golf Course, and you can see the Alton pumping station from the A31.

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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
Details of some of the pipelines can be found here : Linewatch - Pipe network

You can drill down and see that the pipe from Buncefield to Heathrow is currently operating at 1200psi - just what you need to know on a Friday afternoon!
Reackon I must drive over one every time I leave home and head west
Cheers
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I'm bored, and the shell line from grangemouth to stanlow ( assuming a distance of approx 300 KM) contains over 17 million litres or approx 3.75 million gallons of fuel, static. If you scoob does 30 to the gallon, it would allow a daily commute, to the moon, for a year, assuming a 5 day week and 25 days holiday. ( excluding bank holidays ).
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Originally Posted by Chip Sengravy
Good find!

Interesting stuff, the shell line is 250mm bore @ 1400 psi, that's a serious amount of fuel delivery
Time to buy a house above one of the lines
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I just did some quick calcs, and if you were to buy a house above said line, and connect on with 6mm bore hose, you could draw enough fuel to run a takeaway longer than the sun's expected lifespan of 5 billion years.

££££££££££'s
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Originally Posted by Chip Sengravy
I saw, probably for the first time I can think of, a tanker marked avaition fuel this morning.

How do they move it around, you never really see it and the industry must guzzle mega gallons of it.

Is it piped around the country?
Interesting question.
Old 23 November 2007, 04:54 PM
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Most military bases have it piped in too. Once it's on the base it gets moved around by tanker.
Old 23 November 2007, 05:27 PM
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They fly it in of course. Duh
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There is about 20 odd tankers a day arrive from Grangemouth to supply the tanks at Edinburgh.

What i didn't know until recently is that the tankers which drive around and fuel the planes airside are not legal to drive out on normal roads ( ie.. Landside )..

The tanks on the airside vehicles are single skinned to get the maximum amount of fuel to the planes.

They have to be double skinned and baffled inside to be legal on the roads..

Everyday is a school day as they say
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Originally Posted by Chip Sengravy
I just did some quick calcs, and if you were to buy a house above said line, and connect on with 6mm bore hose, you could draw enough fuel to run a takeaway longer than the sun's expected lifespan of 5 billion years.

££££££££££'s
I was thinking of selling fuel on the black market however if you want to run a takeaway go for it
Old 23 November 2007, 09:23 PM
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The fuel for Tenerefe airport is taken in by tanker. I know this 'cos I once put a rented Vauxhaul Corsa underneath one A fitting end for the POS, just thankful neither of us were hurt whilst doing the car community this good deed
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I work on these lines and they generally run at about 50-60 Bar which, believe me, when your drilling into it live is quite enough pressure to deal with.

Some of these lines also have fibre optic cables running through them for use by the military.

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Originally Posted by FlightMan
I used to fix the PC that controlled the pipelines from Fawley refinery to Heathrow, Gatwick and Birmingham. Sophisticated operation it was, all run by an IBM AT PC!

The Heathrow pipline runs right through Blacknest Golf Course, and you can see the Alton pumping station from the A31.

I used to fix the one that supplied Belfast City. In 2002 it was a 286 SX. I was really happy that they used a 286 DX for air traffic control. It was so much more advanced
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Originally Posted by Chip Sengravy
I'm bored, and the shell line from grangemouth to stanlow ( assuming a distance of approx 300 KM) contains over 17 million litres or approx 3.75 million gallons of fuel, static. If you scoob does 30 to the gallon, it would allow a daily commute, to the moon, for a year, assuming a 5 day week and 25 days holiday. ( excluding bank holidays ).
Chip the lines that leave grangemouth are ethelyene lines not petrol.
Old 24 November 2007, 11:25 AM
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Pipelines as on some RAF ststions too.

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Old 24 November 2007, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by g7prs
Chip the lines that leave grangemouth are ethelyene lines not petrol.

Isn't ethelyene the material the pipe is made of ?
Old 24 November 2007, 04:36 PM
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You are thinking of polyethylene, the plastic made from...you guessed it, ethylene.

Pipelines run from Grangemouth to Teeside and over to Stanlow in Cheshire.

Polypropylene is made from...propylene!

I'm currently working on a PP plant in South Africa!

Steve
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Originally Posted by Steve Sherwen
You are thinking of polyethylene, the plastic made from...you guessed it, ethylene.

Pipelines run from Grangemouth to Teeside and over to Stanlow in Cheshire.

Polypropylene is made from...propylene!

I'm currently working on a PP plant in South Africa!

Steve
Well said that man! I work at the grangemouth end of the pipeline.
Old 24 November 2007, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray_li
Time to buy a house above one of the lines
What's the octane rating of AVGAS?
Old 24 November 2007, 06:53 PM
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I used to fill up with Esso at the filling station on the dual carriageway from the M25 to T4. The car always ran noticably better and when I asked around, locals said it was because of the volume of fuel the garage sold and the fact it came from a tank farm very close by which was serviced by the pipelines.

I can only assume the octane rating was a couple of points above average as the fuel was so fresh.
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if you look on the "secret bases" website it mentions them extensively
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Fascinating..... no I'm not taking the p*ss. Just think what the naughty people could do with this info . Scarey thought.
Yve
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Originally Posted by nooobyscooby
What's the octane rating of AVGAS?
It used to be up to about 130 octane if I remember rightly. Used to get terrible deposits in the combustion chambers from all the lead in it.

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