More Postal strikes on the way
25 July 2007, 09:57 AM
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More Postal strikes on the way
More 24 hour strikes on the way due to ill informed union madness. Listen Post People your company is slowly disapearing down the toilet, striking and causing you to lose even more customers hasn't been your most intelligent move has it? You have 2 choices, take the cash offered and work with the company to improve all your futures - or strike, get a very small extra amount and be made redundant in about a year or two when the company folds.
Why do people always do this, i remember when Rover stated that it would have to close down Longbridge due to the company making no money at all. The first reaction from the unions was 'right then we will take industrial action' - barking and quickening the demise
Why do people always do this, i remember when Rover stated that it would have to close down Longbridge due to the company making no money at all. The first reaction from the unions was 'right then we will take industrial action' - barking and quickening the demise
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I agree amahrap... The result of their strike to the people I know means that the perception of the royal mail is that of lazy unreliable scum. The follow on from that is we look for alternatives to them for our mail.
Thus their employer loses more money and things get harder for them...
Unions may have their uses (such as defending a fork lift truck driver on here for unfair treatment) but their sledgehammer to crack a nut approach to payrises and conditions are so counter productive.
I remember retard Andy Gilchrists personal campaign to boost his standing with the firemen who wanted £35k a year to sleep and install smoke alarms and the devastating effect his actions had on the publics perception of the fire service. I even recall me and other cars driving past picket lines hurling abuse at them...
Give the posties the rises they want - then employ a few more to offset any overtime they currently get... The unions "win" but the posties earn less as a result of their striking
Genius!
Thus their employer loses more money and things get harder for them...
Unions may have their uses (such as defending a fork lift truck driver on here for unfair treatment) but their sledgehammer to crack a nut approach to payrises and conditions are so counter productive.
I remember retard Andy Gilchrists personal campaign to boost his standing with the firemen who wanted £35k a year to sleep and install smoke alarms and the devastating effect his actions had on the publics perception of the fire service. I even recall me and other cars driving past picket lines hurling abuse at them...
Give the posties the rises they want - then employ a few more to offset any overtime they currently get... The unions "win" but the posties earn less as a result of their striking
Genius!
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As someone who buys and sells loads on eBay Im not pleased with this latest strike. They would'nt do it if there was a seriously reliable competitor to the Royal Mail, as all the business would go there. I would imagine plenty of corporate/business mail will now go elsewhere with their custom.
How many price rises have there been in the last few years..............loads.
How many price rises have there been in the last few years..............loads.
25 July 2007, 06:25 PM
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Unions are all the same - Instead of allowing a couple of hundred people to lose their jobs in order to modernise and make the business actually work, they'd rather strike, make the company fold, and lose thousands of jobs.
They're not even socialists, they're just idiots (even I accept there is occassionally a difference
)
The Royal Mail has become progressively worse over the last 20 years. I couldn't care less what happens to them - the alternative couldn't possibly result in a worse service.
They're not even socialists, they're just idiots (even I accept there is occassionally a difference
)The Royal Mail has become progressively worse over the last 20 years. I couldn't care less what happens to them - the alternative couldn't possibly result in a worse service.
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Right you lot, Abdabz, that is the second time you have called me scum you *******,
We are not on strike for the fun of it, all we are asking is for a decent wage rise to go with the new conditions that Royal mail want to bring in, If no new working conditions were involved their would be no strike action, They want to bring in 40 yes 40 new working conditions, along with a 2.5% pay offer, we are quite happy to accept a 2.5% pay offer if the new conditions wern't to be implemented, What you the public do not seem to grasb is that deliverys are going to get later and later, Royal Mail want all staff to start at 6.15am on 13th August 2007 instead of 5am and rising to 8.15 in 2008, So tell me is that good quality of srevice to the public? When I started 20 years ago your first letter went through the door at 6.45am not 8.30am like it is today, Do you really really think Royal Mail care about the customer I can tell you NO they don't, Allen Leighton and Adam Crozier have both recently been paid between themselves nearll £3million in bounes's not bad for a guy who only works 2 days a week for the company(Leighton that is) So excuse us for being a bit peed off with it all, Also deliverys have got so big between 600 to 900 houses per walk which somedays guys take out between 6 to 9 bags per day, I for one do not like strike action but sadly this is what we have been pushed too I can confirm to you all that this will get very messy if the goverment do not get involved they have just invested 1.5 billion so they are not going to be happy if their money goes down the pan, I will be quite happy to answer any questions if I can
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We are not on strike for the fun of it, all we are asking is for a decent wage rise to go with the new conditions that Royal mail want to bring in, If no new working conditions were involved their would be no strike action, They want to bring in 40 yes 40 new working conditions, along with a 2.5% pay offer, we are quite happy to accept a 2.5% pay offer if the new conditions wern't to be implemented, What you the public do not seem to grasb is that deliverys are going to get later and later, Royal Mail want all staff to start at 6.15am on 13th August 2007 instead of 5am and rising to 8.15 in 2008, So tell me is that good quality of srevice to the public? When I started 20 years ago your first letter went through the door at 6.45am not 8.30am like it is today, Do you really really think Royal Mail care about the customer I can tell you NO they don't, Allen Leighton and Adam Crozier have both recently been paid between themselves nearll £3million in bounes's not bad for a guy who only works 2 days a week for the company(Leighton that is) So excuse us for being a bit peed off with it all, Also deliverys have got so big between 600 to 900 houses per walk which somedays guys take out between 6 to 9 bags per day, I for one do not like strike action but sadly this is what we have been pushed too I can confirm to you all that this will get very messy if the goverment do not get involved they have just invested 1.5 billion so they are not going to be happy if their money goes down the pan, I will be quite happy to answer any questions if I canCheers
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26 July 2007, 01:22 PM
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Right you lot, Abdabz, that is the second time you have called me scum you *******, We are not on strike for the fun of it, all we are asking is for a decent wage rise to go with the new conditions that Royal mail want to bring in, If no new working conditions were involved their would be no strike action, They want to bring in 40 yes 40 new working conditions, along with a 2.5% pay offer, we are quite happy to accept a 2.5% pay offer if the new conditions wern't to be implemented, What you the public do not seem to grasb is that deliverys are going to get later and later, Royal Mail want all staff to start at 6.15am on 13th August 2007 instead of 5am and rising to 8.15 in 2008, So tell me is that good quality of srevice to the public? When I started 20 years ago your first letter went through the door at 6.45am not 8.30am like it is today, Do you really really think Royal Mail care about the customer I can tell you NO they don't, Allen Leighton and Adam Crozier have both recently been paid between themselves nearll £3million in bounes's not bad for a guy who only works 2 days a week for the company(Leighton that is) So excuse us for being a bit peed off with it all, Also deliverys have got so big between 600 to 900 houses per walk which somedays guys take out between 6 to 9 bags per day, I for one do not like strike action but sadly this is what we have been pushed too I can confirm to you all that this will get very messy if the goverment do not get involved they have just invested 1.5 billion so they are not going to be happy if their money goes down the pan, I will be quite happy to answer any questions if I can
Cheers
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We are not on strike for the fun of it, all we are asking is for a decent wage rise to go with the new conditions that Royal mail want to bring in, If no new working conditions were involved their would be no strike action, They want to bring in 40 yes 40 new working conditions, along with a 2.5% pay offer, we are quite happy to accept a 2.5% pay offer if the new conditions wern't to be implemented, What you the public do not seem to grasb is that deliverys are going to get later and later, Royal Mail want all staff to start at 6.15am on 13th August 2007 instead of 5am and rising to 8.15 in 2008, So tell me is that good quality of srevice to the public? When I started 20 years ago your first letter went through the door at 6.45am not 8.30am like it is today, Do you really really think Royal Mail care about the customer I can tell you NO they don't, Allen Leighton and Adam Crozier have both recently been paid between themselves nearll £3million in bounes's not bad for a guy who only works 2 days a week for the company(Leighton that is) So excuse us for being a bit peed off with it all, Also deliverys have got so big between 600 to 900 houses per walk which somedays guys take out between 6 to 9 bags per day, I for one do not like strike action but sadly this is what we have been pushed too I can confirm to you all that this will get very messy if the goverment do not get involved they have just invested 1.5 billion so they are not going to be happy if their money goes down the pan, I will be quite happy to answer any questions if I canCheers
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Personally it's not going to make any difference how much later the post gets - mine arrives at about 11am so if it's not going to turn up when I'm eating my wheetabix it can turn up at 6.30pm which is the next opportunity I'm gonna get to see it.
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Right you lot, Abdabz, that is the second time you have called me scum you *******, We are not on strike for the fun of it, all we are asking is for a decent wage rise to go with the new conditions that Royal mail want to bring in, If no new working conditions were involved their would be no strike action, They want to bring in 40 yes 40 new working conditions, along with a 2.5% pay offer, we are quite happy to accept a 2.5% pay offer if the new conditions wern't to be implemented, What you the public do not seem to grasb is that deliverys are going to get later and later, Royal Mail want all staff to start at 6.15am on 13th August 2007 instead of 5am and rising to 8.15 in 2008, So tell me is that good quality of srevice to the public? When I started 20 years ago your first letter went through the door at 6.45am not 8.30am like it is today, Do you really really think Royal Mail care about the customer I can tell you NO they don't, Allen Leighton and Adam Crozier have both recently been paid between themselves nearll £3million in bounes's not bad for a guy who only works 2 days a week for the company(Leighton that is) So excuse us for being a bit peed off with it all, Also deliverys have got so big between 600 to 900 houses per walk which somedays guys take out between 6 to 9 bags per day, I for one do not like strike action but sadly this is what we have been pushed too I can confirm to you all that this will get very messy if the goverment do not get involved they have just invested 1.5 billion so they are not going to be happy if their money goes down the pan, I will be quite happy to answer any questions if I can
Cheers
Colin
We are not on strike for the fun of it, all we are asking is for a decent wage rise to go with the new conditions that Royal mail want to bring in, If no new working conditions were involved their would be no strike action, They want to bring in 40 yes 40 new working conditions, along with a 2.5% pay offer, we are quite happy to accept a 2.5% pay offer if the new conditions wern't to be implemented, What you the public do not seem to grasb is that deliverys are going to get later and later, Royal Mail want all staff to start at 6.15am on 13th August 2007 instead of 5am and rising to 8.15 in 2008, So tell me is that good quality of srevice to the public? When I started 20 years ago your first letter went through the door at 6.45am not 8.30am like it is today, Do you really really think Royal Mail care about the customer I can tell you NO they don't, Allen Leighton and Adam Crozier have both recently been paid between themselves nearll £3million in bounes's not bad for a guy who only works 2 days a week for the company(Leighton that is) So excuse us for being a bit peed off with it all, Also deliverys have got so big between 600 to 900 houses per walk which somedays guys take out between 6 to 9 bags per day, I for one do not like strike action but sadly this is what we have been pushed too I can confirm to you all that this will get very messy if the goverment do not get involved they have just invested 1.5 billion so they are not going to be happy if their money goes down the pan, I will be quite happy to answer any questions if I canCheers
Colin
People that denounce union strikes as being carrie dout by "lazy scum" are, quite frankly, idiots.
I would suggest reading up on what a union actually does.
26 July 2007, 03:44 PM
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a 2.5% payrise!!! think yourself lucky I have not had a payrise in the last 2 years and it was 3 years before that! and I work for ane of the biggest IT companies in the world.
The last payrise I got was 12 euros a month!! Storming eh. that worked out to be 0.04%
As for bonuses etc, I don't get a bonus for doing my job.
The last payrise I got was 12 euros a month!! Storming eh. that worked out to be 0.04%
As for bonuses etc, I don't get a bonus for doing my job.
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Right you lot, Abdabz, that is the second time you have called me scum you *******, We are not on strike for the fun of it, all we are asking is for a decent wage rise to go with the new conditions that Royal mail want to bring in, If no new working conditions were involved their would be no strike action, They want to bring in 40 yes 40 new working conditions, along with a 2.5% pay offer, we are quite happy to accept a 2.5% pay offer if the new conditions wern't to be implemented, What you the public do not seem to grasb is that deliverys are going to get later and later, Royal Mail want all staff to start at 6.15am on 13th August 2007 instead of 5am and rising to 8.15 in 2008, So tell me is that good quality of srevice to the public? When I started 20 years ago your first letter went through the door at 6.45am not 8.30am like it is today, Do you really really think Royal Mail care about the customer I can tell you NO they don't, Allen Leighton and Adam Crozier have both recently been paid between themselves nearll £3million in bounes's not bad for a guy who only works 2 days a week for the company(Leighton that is) So excuse us for being a bit peed off with it all, Also deliverys have got so big between 600 to 900 houses per walk which somedays guys take out between 6 to 9 bags per day, I for one do not like strike action but sadly this is what we have been pushed too I can confirm to you all that this will get very messy if the goverment do not get involved they have just invested 1.5 billion so they are not going to be happy if their money goes down the pan, I will be quite happy to answer any questions if I can
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We are not on strike for the fun of it, all we are asking is for a decent wage rise to go with the new conditions that Royal mail want to bring in, If no new working conditions were involved their would be no strike action, They want to bring in 40 yes 40 new working conditions, along with a 2.5% pay offer, we are quite happy to accept a 2.5% pay offer if the new conditions wern't to be implemented, What you the public do not seem to grasb is that deliverys are going to get later and later, Royal Mail want all staff to start at 6.15am on 13th August 2007 instead of 5am and rising to 8.15 in 2008, So tell me is that good quality of srevice to the public? When I started 20 years ago your first letter went through the door at 6.45am not 8.30am like it is today, Do you really really think Royal Mail care about the customer I can tell you NO they don't, Allen Leighton and Adam Crozier have both recently been paid between themselves nearll £3million in bounes's not bad for a guy who only works 2 days a week for the company(Leighton that is) So excuse us for being a bit peed off with it all, Also deliverys have got so big between 600 to 900 houses per walk which somedays guys take out between 6 to 9 bags per day, I for one do not like strike action but sadly this is what we have been pushed too I can confirm to you all that this will get very messy if the goverment do not get involved they have just invested 1.5 billion so they are not going to be happy if their money goes down the pan, I will be quite happy to answer any questions if I canCheers
Colin
Either get with it, or get a different job. If you don't, the choice will be made for you by your customers, both the general public and businesses. Amazon's recent decision should be a very loud warning shot for you.
Change happens to us all. I can sympathise with you in one respect - it's uncomfortable, but inevitable, and happens to all of us throughout our working lives. Rather than waste time striking, If I were you I'd be retraining or looking to better my current position in Royal Mail Group through greater responsibility.
No offence intended.
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645, I have been both sides of the bench, (management and worker) It seems to me that their are to many floor managers in our office 10 at the last count all on £30,000 a year plus In our office alone the management could be cut in half and Royal Mail would save a lot of money I mean after the deliveries have gone out they spend an hour in the canteen then most of the day on computers looking at E-Bay, I for one have no intention of retraining to go up the ladder in Royal Mail I have seen to many in my 20 years shafted because they end up not fitting in or the upper management don't like your face, sorry to say it I have never been an ar$e licker and I have no intention of starting now.
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26 July 2007, 09:05 PM
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Yeah whatever, Maggie Thatcher made sure the working man would not get a proper living wage by destroying trade unions, she did it to the miners
but I can asure you the CWU do not give in that easy.Cheers
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26 July 2007, 09:36 PM
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Some people really are "blinkered to the truth"
Totally agree with all you have said above colin,i too work for the royal mail and it's a win,win for the suits on this one,the worker's get shafted,whilst the fat cat's rake it in simple
people rant on about lost contract's(sky amazon etc) but who deliver's them ???????? tnt/dhl/deuchepost ?????? nope,they still come through us,to your door,the courier companie's do not have the tool's in place to deliver on there claimed promise's,so sell on the work to the royal mail so to speak
40,000 job cut's mentioned.....let's take a wild guess how these 40,000 vacancie's will be filled or covered shall we,imigrant's by any chance ??????
This again saving the royal mail money,and adding to the bonuse's of crozier and his monkey,crozier and leighton aint trying to "modernize" the royal mail,they are just trying to fill there boot's whilst the "minnion's" slave on working for buttons
as mentioned above,the cost's can and should be made by removing overpaid and idle manager's that swan around doing very little or nothing at all to justify there pressence at the place of work!
"LAZY SCUM" Your having a laugh you uninformed ****!
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Totally agree with all you have said above colin,i too work for the royal mail and it's a win,win for the suits on this one,the worker's get shafted,whilst the fat cat's rake it in simple
people rant on about lost contract's(sky amazon etc) but who deliver's them ???????? tnt/dhl/deuchepost ?????? nope,they still come through us,to your door,the courier companie's do not have the tool's in place to deliver on there claimed promise's,so sell on the work to the royal mail so to speak
40,000 job cut's mentioned.....let's take a wild guess how these 40,000 vacancie's will be filled or covered shall we,imigrant's by any chance ??????
This again saving the royal mail money,and adding to the bonuse's of crozier and his monkey,crozier and leighton aint trying to "modernize" the royal mail,they are just trying to fill there boot's whilst the "minnion's" slave on working for buttons
as mentioned above,the cost's can and should be made by removing overpaid and idle manager's that swan around doing very little or nothing at all to justify there pressence at the place of work!
"LAZY SCUM" Your having a laugh you uninformed ****!
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I give up guys - you're determined the worlds against you, and you'll strike yourselves out of a job, and RM out of business.
If as you say, there are mgrs there who don't work very hard (and I don't doubt you for one minute), then they should be got rid of. I certainly don't support fat cats and lazy managers, but you know what, I bet there are a few posties that could be described in similar terms?
...and to say that the Amazon contract still has to be delivered to the door by RM is beyond complacent - RM has lost the most profitable part of the contract - more like this, and all you'll end up with is the leg work, and very little profit....
And as for you doing the final delivery, that won't be exclusively RM for long either.
If as you say, there are mgrs there who don't work very hard (and I don't doubt you for one minute), then they should be got rid of. I certainly don't support fat cats and lazy managers, but you know what, I bet there are a few posties that could be described in similar terms?
...and to say that the Amazon contract still has to be delivered to the door by RM is beyond complacent - RM has lost the most profitable part of the contract - more like this, and all you'll end up with is the leg work, and very little profit....
And as for you doing the final delivery, that won't be exclusively RM for long either.
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Whats the story with deliverys today ? I thought it was yesterday they was on strike but i still had post delivered.
Im waiting for a few items i ordered off net being delivered, 1 being my new sunderland top which i was hoping to have before i left for ireland tomorow
Im waiting for a few items i ordered off net being delivered, 1 being my new sunderland top which i was hoping to have before i left for ireland tomorow
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me too, im waiting for a locking wheel nut key and a caliper spring to be delivered by subaru today. was told it was wednesday that the post office was on strike.
just seen my postie burning up the street, and that was it. nothing.
didnt stop to deliver the post, just rode right past.
just seen my postie burning up the street, and that was it. nothing.
didnt stop to deliver the post, just rode right past.
27 July 2007, 02:55 PM
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Is there an alternative to RM for letters and smaller parcels and such?
Our mail can arrive anywhere between 10 and 2. Not a problem at home but it buggers our business up for a day with missed mail.
I don't blame RM staff striking but continuing strike action just alienates the public - Fire Brigade for one.
Our mail can arrive anywhere between 10 and 2. Not a problem at home but it buggers our business up for a day with missed mail.
I don't blame RM staff striking but continuing strike action just alienates the public - Fire Brigade for one.
27 July 2007, 03:22 PM
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Is there an alternative to RM for letters and smaller parcels and such?
27 July 2007, 03:27 PM
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Here we go again ! 
Ive told this to the uninformed too many times recently first off the job of a postman is not an unskilled job in my opinion, it takes a long time to learn the sorting/deliveries in each office i have literally thousands of addresses floating around in my head.It can take many months to learn all there is to know in order to be a good postman.I take home £245 on a flat week, i dont have any breaks and usually work for 8 hours straight (some days are easier than others admittedly) 4 hours of which envolves delivering over 200lb of mail to the public's houses.I dont think that is a good wage at all considering labourers normal rate of pay is £10 per hour where i come from,However it could be worse.What i cant abbide is the way top level management are destroying the postal industry.
Leightons strategy seems to be - Get rid of all the fulltime workers, alot of these postmen including myself have been here for decades and have invested alot of time and effort into giving a good service to the public, a dam sight more than leighton ever has or will.Lets not forget what leighton has said on many occasions "there is no more money for you".Maybe so but he's just handed out 40 million in bonuses to all the managers icluding £375000 for himself on top of the millions each year he already gets.Here's a typical example of a "manager" in my workplace - walks around the office all day chattering to all and sundry earns £25-30000 a year yet has no qualifications.Then every week they hold a meeting and start spouting off to us all "if you dont like it then find another job".
This strike is not about pay! it is about saving Royal mail.Afterall who would you rather handle your mail? which includes - driving license's,giro's,holiday tickets, birthday cards etc - An honest full time postman who knows his stuff and has been there many years or a part time foreigner who couldnt give a toss about your mail?If he gets his own way there will be no more Royal mail left and all these rival companies will not take its place unless you live in the city centre or other profitable area's.If you live in a rural area forget it , most urban area's too.
Lets also not forget why we are supposidly struggling now - The pension's holiday that Royal mail took in the 90's leaving a huge hole in or pension funds.Another gross error by the management but yes who pays for it? yep us while they keep on getting their extortionate bonuse's.Another classic case of "the rich get richer the poor get poorer.
Ive told this to the uninformed too many times recently first off the job of a postman is not an unskilled job in my opinion, it takes a long time to learn the sorting/deliveries in each office i have literally thousands of addresses floating around in my head.It can take many months to learn all there is to know in order to be a good postman.I take home £245 on a flat week, i dont have any breaks and usually work for 8 hours straight (some days are easier than others admittedly) 4 hours of which envolves delivering over 200lb of mail to the public's houses.I dont think that is a good wage at all considering labourers normal rate of pay is £10 per hour where i come from,However it could be worse.What i cant abbide is the way top level management are destroying the postal industry.Leightons strategy seems to be - Get rid of all the fulltime workers, alot of these postmen including myself have been here for decades and have invested alot of time and effort into giving a good service to the public, a dam sight more than leighton ever has or will.Lets not forget what leighton has said on many occasions "there is no more money for you".Maybe so but he's just handed out 40 million in bonuses to all the managers icluding £375000 for himself on top of the millions each year he already gets.Here's a typical example of a "manager" in my workplace - walks around the office all day chattering to all and sundry earns £25-30000 a year yet has no qualifications.Then every week they hold a meeting and start spouting off to us all "if you dont like it then find another job".
This strike is not about pay! it is about saving Royal mail.Afterall who would you rather handle your mail? which includes - driving license's,giro's,holiday tickets, birthday cards etc - An honest full time postman who knows his stuff and has been there many years or a part time foreigner who couldnt give a toss about your mail?If he gets his own way there will be no more Royal mail left and all these rival companies will not take its place unless you live in the city centre or other profitable area's.If you live in a rural area forget it , most urban area's too.
Lets also not forget why we are supposidly struggling now - The pension's holiday that Royal mail took in the 90's leaving a huge hole in or pension funds.Another gross error by the management but yes who pays for it? yep us while they keep on getting their extortionate bonuse's.Another classic case of "the rich get richer the poor get poorer.
27 July 2007, 03:36 PM
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It seems like there's widepsread hatred of the post office on here and from the general public - what have they done to cause this?
Regarding competition, it's probably not a bad thing, but why isn't it on a level playing field? The post office watchdog has forced Royal Mail to take the competitor's mail on the final run to the customer's door, but they still have to do it at a set price that isn't profitable for them - they don't get anywhere near the cost of a stamp for that service. What would happen if they turned round and just said no? The competition wouldn't be able to undercut RM then, as it wouldn't be cost effective to deliver a single gas bill to someone out in the middle of the sticks like RM do. They've been allowed to come in and take the lucrative business away from RM, but leave them with the dregs.
I think some of the problem the union have is that RM have just sat back and watched this happen without putting up a fight. It's something the government have forced upon them (what have the government got against this country?). The German and French governments have not yet allowed open competition because of the harm it could do to their national post services. Yet they're allowed over here to steal away the lucrative stuff from us. Like I said, it's not really a level playing field.
The cost of stamps has always been subsidised by the business mail that RM have carried, but surely this will have to come to an end otherwise RM is going to go under. The business mail is being lost to foreign competition.
I'm sure that if all the other companies start to provide the whole service from 'door to door' the price of a stamp is going to be a lot higher. And won't it be strange to have 2, 3, 4 (?!) postmen coming to your house everyday?
Regarding competition, it's probably not a bad thing, but why isn't it on a level playing field? The post office watchdog has forced Royal Mail to take the competitor's mail on the final run to the customer's door, but they still have to do it at a set price that isn't profitable for them - they don't get anywhere near the cost of a stamp for that service. What would happen if they turned round and just said no? The competition wouldn't be able to undercut RM then, as it wouldn't be cost effective to deliver a single gas bill to someone out in the middle of the sticks like RM do. They've been allowed to come in and take the lucrative business away from RM, but leave them with the dregs.
I think some of the problem the union have is that RM have just sat back and watched this happen without putting up a fight. It's something the government have forced upon them (what have the government got against this country?). The German and French governments have not yet allowed open competition because of the harm it could do to their national post services. Yet they're allowed over here to steal away the lucrative stuff from us. Like I said, it's not really a level playing field.
The cost of stamps has always been subsidised by the business mail that RM have carried, but surely this will have to come to an end otherwise RM is going to go under. The business mail is being lost to foreign competition.
I'm sure that if all the other companies start to provide the whole service from 'door to door' the price of a stamp is going to be a lot higher. And won't it be strange to have 2, 3, 4 (?!) postmen coming to your house everyday?
27 July 2007, 03:41 PM
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It seems like there's widepsread hatred of the post office on here and from the general public - what have they done to cause this?
Regarding competition, it's probably not a bad thing, but why isn't it on a level playing field? The post office watchdog has forced Royal Mail to take the competitor's mail on the final run to the customer's door, but they still have to do it at a set price that isn't profitable for them - they don't get anywhere near the cost of a stamp for that service. What would happen if they turned round and just said no? The competition wouldn't be able to undercut RM then, as it wouldn't be cost effective to deliver a single gas bill to someone out in the middle of the sticks like RM do. They've been allowed to come in and take the lucrative business away from RM, but leave them with the dregs.
I think some of the problem the union have is that RM have just sat back and watched this happen without putting up a fight. It's something the government have forced upon them (what have the government got against this country?). The German and French governments have not yet allowed open competition because of the harm it could do to their national post services. Yet they're allowed over here to steal away the lucrative stuff from us. Like I said, it's not really a level playing field.
The cost of stamps has always been subsidised by the business mail that RM have carried, but surely this will have to come to an end otherwise RM is going to go under. The business mail is being lost to foreign competition.
I'm sure that if all the other companies start to provide the whole service from 'door to door' the price of a stamp is going to be a lot higher. And won't it be strange to have 2, 3, 4 (?!) postmen coming to your house everyday?
Regarding competition, it's probably not a bad thing, but why isn't it on a level playing field? The post office watchdog has forced Royal Mail to take the competitor's mail on the final run to the customer's door, but they still have to do it at a set price that isn't profitable for them - they don't get anywhere near the cost of a stamp for that service. What would happen if they turned round and just said no? The competition wouldn't be able to undercut RM then, as it wouldn't be cost effective to deliver a single gas bill to someone out in the middle of the sticks like RM do. They've been allowed to come in and take the lucrative business away from RM, but leave them with the dregs.
I think some of the problem the union have is that RM have just sat back and watched this happen without putting up a fight. It's something the government have forced upon them (what have the government got against this country?). The German and French governments have not yet allowed open competition because of the harm it could do to their national post services. Yet they're allowed over here to steal away the lucrative stuff from us. Like I said, it's not really a level playing field.
The cost of stamps has always been subsidised by the business mail that RM have carried, but surely this will have to come to an end otherwise RM is going to go under. The business mail is being lost to foreign competition.
I'm sure that if all the other companies start to provide the whole service from 'door to door' the price of a stamp is going to be a lot higher. And won't it be strange to have 2, 3, 4 (?!) postmen coming to your house everyday?
27 July 2007, 04:36 PM
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first off the job of a postman is not an unskilled job in my opinion, it takes a long time to learn the sorting/deliveries in each office i have literally thousands of addresses floating around in my head.
