Pink Bunny

OMG that's awful!!!! Poor bloke!!

dpb

An irresponsible/fool i guess.

Im missing someething obviously - thought it was law that dogs like this had to be muzzled

Abdabz

Not classed under the dangerous dogs act and no more obligated to wear a muzzle as you or I and rightfully so. As a breed (like staffies etc) they are an excellent dog...
One numpty brings his trophy dog to the pub and this happens, bringing the good name of the breed down
I hate irresponsible dog owners and hope the idiot responsible gets a million hours community service licking public toilet seats or something

stilover

What it fails to inform us was where was the dog in relation to other people.

The story says this bloke walked over to guard the dog as they feared the dog would, for no reason attack children playing.

Was the dog collared, and tied to a chair etc? Doesn't say. If (we don't know) that the dog was tied to a chair etc, why did the bloke & his mates walk over to the dog. By being surrounded by a bunch of blokes the dog itself may have felt threatened. As soon as it saw it's owner coming it may just have started defending it's owner (it may have felt the bunch of blokes was waiting to attack the owner).
Also, why did the bloke have his face so close to the dog? If I was worried for any children playing nearby, I'd have stood in between the dog & the children, but kept my distance from the dog.

This just seems to me that it could just be the dog felt threatened by being surrounded and lashed out. The owner could well be very responsible. I myself have take my Staffie to the pub. When I go to the Bar, I tie him to a bench (if I'm not with a mate who would hold onto him) I'm sure if I walked away and then all of a sudden a group of blokes stood round him patting him, he'd feel threatened too.

I feel sorry for the dog owner. Without the full facts it just could have been an avoidable accident.

dpb

your barking (excuse the pun) - all valid points of course but given the propensity for the kind of damage inflicted ( tying it to a bar stool isNT going to hold it back ! ) the owner should be barred from keeping the animal or any others.

The Snug Rhino

what rubbish - i have two dogs....there are NO circumstances (apart from them being physically abused) in which they would bite someone.

davegtt

But thats the 2 dogs you own now, mine is exactly the same, although I bet your old EBT probably would have considered it without being physically abused? Or am I wrong (Im fully prepared to be actually)

stilover

The dog was surrounded though. They walked over to it.

Remember dogs don't think the same way humans do. If we feel threatened we can do certain things. either Walk away, curl up in a ball and hope the threat goes away, or stand and fight. Dog just fight.

I never said it was tied to a Bar stool. We don't know if it was tied at all, but if it was, it could have been tied to something that wouldn't pull off.

To me, the bunch of blokes caused this. If they'd not walked over to the dog and started patting it, the guy would still have a nose, and the dog would still be alive.

stilover

Read my post again. I'm saying the dog could have felt threatened and lashed out. I have a Staffie and I feel the same way in that it wouldn't bite anyone. However if it was suddenly surrounded by a bunch of blokes when I'm not there, who knows how he would react.

Spoon

The dog should not have been at the pub unsupervised by anybody but it's owner, end of.

The dog sounds like it attacked only when it saw it's owner return, which is relatively normal bad behaviour of an untrained dog.

The blokes face however would have needed to be close to the dog for it to happen like that, in my opinion.

It sounds like some people wrongly trying to befriend a fear biting dog that shouldn't have been there alone in the first place.

Matteeboy

Not far off what happened to me when I was three.

Calmly stroking a nice dog then it suddenly bit into the right side of my face and I had a load of stitches.

Still love dogs though.

The Snug Rhino

you are right, EBT would have ripped his head off his shoulders. Which is why i would never have taken him to a pub and why i would never have another.

i dont even own a dog lead anymore! mine just dont need it!

Chip Sengravy

What, they told you that did they?

Any dog, capable of inflicting damage like that should be muzzled in public, or off a leash IMHO, despite what their owners think they will, or will not do.

stara

it is a bit irresponsible taking a dog with a history of aggression to a pub, however, all aggressive dogs only become recognised as aggressive when they bite or go to bite for the first time, maybe this was the first time for this rottie, just a sad story really.

Chip Sengravy

Yeah, for the bloke that will never be abale to pick his nose again.

stara

well the dogs dead now so every cloud

Flatcapdriver

Chip. You can't be thinking this through because what you're saying is that essentially all dogs should be muzzled as they're all capable of damaging humans to this extent.

In this circumstance the dog should have been on a lead, I agree but at the end of the day it comes down to humans. Its extremely rare to find a bad dog that's not a result of human interference.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Probably a top class establishment then....

A Rottweiler in the bar is always a hallmark of class.

Flatcapdriver

Well, it was Ecton Brook. The locals weren't at the top of the gene pool twelve years ago when I lived nearby so I doubt things have changed all that much.

Chip Sengravy

FCD, I see what you are saying, but there is bit a difference between a 12yr old labrador with it's back legs shot, and a rottie for instance.

There should be categories for dogs, and the ones classed as potentailly dangerours...you know the ones that are in the papers all the time for mutilating people and eating toddlers??? should be muzzled.

The owners being good or not shouldn't come into it, if the dog IS capable of massive damage or death.

Unfortunately, there will be a good amount of decent owners with good dogs that will have to fit in, but as usual, the few spoil it for the many!

staffy-bull

I feel for the victim here but why brand dogs on there breed??? ANY DOG BE IT A JACK RUSSELL TO A GREAT DANE is capable of harming,/killing someone/something in the wrong hands. If a dog is properly trained and socialised why should it be musseled??? Sorry but i own/ breed Staffordshire Bull Terriers, i have 2 children aged 5 and 9, my dogs are very effectionate and loving and exceptionaly good tempered, BUT that does NOT say that i would say they would NEVER bite, if we feel threatened we can express this by either voice or in some cases fists, a dogs only way to warn and defend itself is to bite/growl. I for 1 would never leave my children alone with my dogs, i have also taught My children to respect my dogs too, as for instance the dog was a sleep and 1 of my children startled him/her its instinct could be to give a warning not neccisarly intentially to harm but through being startled. I never let me dogs off lead untill i know that it is safe to do so.. Sorry but i could go on all day, BUT IT IS THE OWNERS RESPONSABILITY AT THE END OF THE DAY NOT THE DOG..mY CHILDREN KNOW NOT TO PUT THEIR FACES DOWN NEAR A DOGS FACE NO MATTER HOW WELL BEHAVED/TEMPERMENT,and they have been taught to always ask the owner 1st if it is ok to stroke the dog

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

We have speed limits because people cannot drive at an appropriate speed, that affects us all.

Why not muzzles because some people cannot train dogs?

Spoon

I'd be pissed off for starters. Having spent thousands on training Personal protection dogs that could and would rip your **** off on command, muzzling them would be like a vehicle without fuel, less effective.

Flatcapdriver

I can see what you mean but the problem is that if you look at the statistics (the only ones online being from Canada/US) its the Labrador breed that's most likely to attack humans as opposed to other supposedly more aggressive breeds.

The problem is that pond life are attracted to certain breeds such as Rottweilers as they perceive them to be 'hard' dogs and handle the dog accordingly. If you or I owned a Rottweiler, it would probably turn into a big softy more likely to lick someone to death but your average chav wants the kudos of having a tough dog which is why I believe that all dog owners should be licenced.

jjones

agreed

stilover

That's every dog on the planet then.

My Staffie has never biten anyone, or been agressive to anyone. He's well trained and loved. I always walk him off the lead. If another dog is being walk towards us, I simply take my dog to one side, tell him to sit and wait for the other dog to walk on by. He doesn't growl or attack anything.

Now. There is a local Poodle that would bite itself if it didn't hurt. Constantly trying to attack any dog that gets in sight.

Now by peoples views on here my dog should be muzzled, yet the cute soft Poodle shouldn't. The Poodle bites, mine doesn't.


Back to the main story. Again I'll state that the bunch of blokes walked over to the dog. The dog didn't walk to them. They were obviously stopping the dog from moving once the dog saw it's owner, and lashed out. Now that could have been a Poodle, Staffie, or a Labrador. It just so happens it was a Rottie this time.

If the bloke hadn't stuck his nose into where it wasn't welcome, it wouldn't have been bitten off.

pimmo2000

iTrader: (6)

I agree with this, the Man put his face next to a 14 stone dog he thought would attack children...

Oh no shocker

Jaybird-UK

and the time before that, and the time before that....

Face it, its an agressive bread.

The Zohan

99% the owner will be a scum-chav off of the eastern district - Bellenge or such or a gypo from one of the numerous sites.

Perhaps they should start destroying the owners instead.