alcazar

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I don't want to go into the why's and wherefores, but a friend, (no, NOT me), has had the coppers round requesting his DNA for an ongoing investigation.

He wanted to know how long they keep it for, why, and if he had the right to refuse. The copper didn't know, so went away to find out and is back tonight, apparently.

Any lawyers out there advise?

TIA, Alcazar

stilover

Seriously, I'd tell them to go **** themselves. Or just not answer the door.

They can't make you give a DNA sample unless you are convicted of something, or you give your permission.

If it's a good looking WPC, suggest giving a sperm sample.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

But can't they do it if they arrest you? In which case, if they want one, they'll arrest him, and then it'll be fingerprints etc etc, all to be kept forever so that when they want a crime cleared up they can frame him

Alcazar

lightning101

Get hold of your partners drool and rub it around your mouth when you hear the door bell and then let them swab you.

Mine came back pregnant

OllyK

One way or another he's going end up on the DNA database and short of a future givernment scrapping it, he'll be on it for all time.

Fantom

Why not just give the sample? I don't see why you would object unless you was criminal?

Spoon

Mine came back with my mates DNA.

scoobynutta555

D.K.1

Not as simple as that, Fantom, he wants to know why they need it and what its for, I don't think I would give it until I knew either TBH

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Ho ho! That WAS a joke, wasn't it? You know, along the lines of "you've nothing to worry about unless you are a criminal"?

But try telling that to the young lad who was convicted of something because they found his DNA on a letter...........he just HAPPENED to have posted one in the same box, but HIS DNA was on record, so............another crime cleared up

Alcazar

StickyMicky

they have taken my DNA a few times

swampster

iTrader: (1)

If he's not suspected of anything and they're just doing an area trawl of DNA samples, I would tell them to poke off. They're not going to arrest him just so they can get his prints and DNA sample.. that is unless he is a suspect.

richie001

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Soon you won't be able to refuse the government are going to make it compulsive for all UK citizens to go though dna sampling to help in solving crimes and on the war with terror

Freelance Badger

Yes they can! Can take your DNA if you have been arrested - dont have to be convicted. And it's kept for ever......

swampster

iTrader: (1)

Yep but they've got to arrest you for something first, or take you in for a caution. They're not going to do that as a means to an end just to get your DNA sample. I mean they'd have to have a good reason to arrest you, otherwise that'd open a huge can of worms with people claiming for false arrest left, right and centre.

Simon 69

In this near police-state you have no rights at all. They can arrest him on suspicion of any trivial or made-up offence and take a sample, along with fingerprints and a photograph.

Its a brave new world.....

The Dogs B******s

nice one

fatherpierre

You don't have to give it. Simple.

It can only be taken if arrested.

But refusing can give grounds to be arrested in certain cases.

Depends why they want it.

Adidas

Futhermore, you have to be arrested for a 'recordable' offence, ie Theft, any assault, criminal damage etc, rather then a non-recordable offence, such as a driving offence where someone is arrested as their name or address cannot be verified.

Alcazar, I appreciate you won't go into specifics, but the DNA maybe required for elimination purposes. Has your 'friend' been the victim of crime recently??

_Meridian_

iTrader: (1)

Link?


DNA on letters is taken from the sticky bit under the flap. It's rather difficult to see how it could have got there by cross-contamination (true cross contamination, as opposed to the type imagined by defence lawyers and anti-NDNABP people, is actually pretty rare). A far more convincing explanation is that the person in question licked the sticky bit of the letter. If the DNA got there by cross-contamination you'd expect a mix of multiple donors, not just a single clean DNA hit. Like the kind you'd get if they were guilty as charged.


But in answer to the original question, no, he doesn't have to provide, but if he does his profile will stay on the DB for ever.



M

fatherpierre

No it won't.

It will be destroyed if he is giving it voluntarily to eliminate him/her.

It's only kept forever if arrested for a recordable offence.

_Meridian_

iTrader: (1)

Interesting. Because AFAIK the NDNADB now have the legal right to keep the sample forever even if given voluntarily as part of a screen. I assume therefore you are talking about force policy? And is that policy universal?


M

scoobynutta555

I was under the impression that any DNA collected, including elimination DNA, was kept on the database.

OllyK

It is

Leslie

Since our leaders want to build a complete database on us all for their own reasons, I would not trust them to destroy any DNA sample they took for whatever reason.

You seem to have a right lot of coppers round your way Alcazar. They appear to be a bit "previous" in all respects. Trouble is they could even use the prevention of terrorism act to arrest him as they did with that elderly man who had the temerity to criticise that creepy politician at their conference with one word for goodness sake!

Difficult to know what to do but I would definitely insist on knowing their reason for wanting the sample.

Les

Abdabz

'kin 'ell! The mass paranoia on here leads me to think that 99% of the people on here were raised on LSD from their mums bussoms!
I would happily walk into a police station today and give a DNA sample without a second thought.
Stories of stitch ups arent new and go back to the before DNA were even letters in the alphabet and so add nothing to this debate... If you dont want to provide a sample (when not having been arrested) as a matter of principal then that should be up to you, but beyond your moral beliefs there is no sound reason why you shouldnt be itching to get that swab in your gob.

D.K.1

Are we beginnging to get like Gatica?

AER-SCOOBY

DNA is not taken if you are arrested only if you are charged. The same is true when fingerprints are taken. This was the case 4-5 years back.

OllyK

I'll try again

My bold

fatherpierre

It's not............

The quote you have presented relates to people who have been arrested and then not found guilty, or never charged. Their DNA was taken as a matter of course after arrest, not to eliminate them, and will stay on the file.

People who are requested to give their DNA but not arrested have their DNA destroyed once comparison has been made and they are eliminated.