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20 June 2007, 03:23 PM
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Funny this one. Read all the news stuff about the widespread roll out of digital speed cameras a week or so ago. Thought then about the possibility of 'editing' such pictures etc.
Then last week we had a power cut in out close. Turns out a junction under a neighbours garden had been foo-barred by the tree that had been planted there years ago (on the 'ytilities strip - doh! Though there was also a BT manhole cover in about the same place and they had managed to concrete in the leccie lines that went to my house ....). So out had to come the tree and said neighbour was very upset about it. Plus part of her gaden was dug up etc.
Anyhow, the contractors were very good and all will get turfed over/replanted etc. But they had to take a picture of the 'before' garden and out came a camera like One600 Ultra @ Polaroid.com
'What's up?' I asked, 'can't the leccie board afford a decent digital camera for you?'. Apparently they could BUT the images were able to be edited therefore they couldn't use them! Not sure whether this was the law or just company policy (I suspect the latter) but it puts into perspective how the powers that be are trying to shaft us left, right and centre!
Wonder if this could be used against the scamera authorities if their evidence was was based on digital camera prints? I think I'll post this over on Pepipo and see what they say .....
Dave
Then last week we had a power cut in out close. Turns out a junction under a neighbours garden had been foo-barred by the tree that had been planted there years ago (on the 'ytilities strip - doh! Though there was also a BT manhole cover in about the same place and they had managed to concrete in the leccie lines that went to my house ....). So out had to come the tree and said neighbour was very upset about it. Plus part of her gaden was dug up etc.
Anyhow, the contractors were very good and all will get turfed over/replanted etc. But they had to take a picture of the 'before' garden and out came a camera like One600 Ultra @ Polaroid.com
'What's up?' I asked, 'can't the leccie board afford a decent digital camera for you?'. Apparently they could BUT the images were able to be edited therefore they couldn't use them! Not sure whether this was the law or just company policy (I suspect the latter) but it puts into perspective how the powers that be are trying to shaft us left, right and centre!
Wonder if this could be used against the scamera authorities if their evidence was was based on digital camera prints? I think I'll post this over on Pepipo and see what they say .....
Dave
20 June 2007, 04:32 PM
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Software exists to certify digital images have not been manipulated in any way. This is available and in use by various parties.
example here
Canon Data Verification Kit DVK-E2: Digital Photography Review
No doubt the images provided by digital speed cameras will be similarly certified.
As an aside, IIRC, if the scamera image of the offender has to be manipulated in any way to aid recognition, it is not admissible in evidence and therefore easily challenged in court.
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20 June 2007, 04:44 PM
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I seem to remember a ruling about 10 years ago that a load of convictions had to be overturned because the images had to be enhanced to make them readable- and they were thrown out as a result.
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Local council parking ****'s round here use mobile phone cameras to take pictures of the cars they put tickets on to "prove" the the ticket was applied etc, and it's accepted in court!
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20 June 2007, 08:05 PM
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They to can be edited, my Sony Ericsson has a feature which alloes me to edit any video or picture i take, so i can add in bits and delete them
20 June 2007, 08:09 PM
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Why does anyone think this is an issue? There's nothing new here: ANY photograph can be manipulated - where do you think the expression "airbrushed out of history" comes from?
Yes, courts are happy to accept digital photos. No, they don't have to have been saved using special expensive bits of software. All they require is a signed statement to the effect that they have not been manipulated. Digital evidence is no different to any other kind.
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Yes, courts are happy to accept digital photos. No, they don't have to have been saved using special expensive bits of software. All they require is a signed statement to the effect that they have not been manipulated. Digital evidence is no different to any other kind.
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Polaroid cameras are still popular for some photography, simply because they are a camera and a printer in one. Easy, and instant.
The idea that digital has some how created a new opportunity to manipulation photos is rubbish (as has been said above). Photos have been manipulated for ever (the ***** were very good at it) just digital makes it easier.
And there is nothing to stop you digitally scanning any print and then doing a photoshop job on the scan.
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The idea that digital has some how created a new opportunity to manipulation photos is rubbish (as has been said above). Photos have been manipulated for ever (the ***** were very good at it) just digital makes it easier.
And there is nothing to stop you digitally scanning any print and then doing a photoshop job on the scan.
Richard.
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