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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 01:12 PM
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Question If you are unmarried and have children......

Did your children take the Father or the Mother's surname?

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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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my little girl has my surname but i do plan to get married to the Mrs at some point.

The girl who sits opposite me at work also is in the same situation and her girl has her name so i guess its what ever you decide
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 01:35 PM
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Depends if the Mother Knows who the Father is

I guess if your plannning on marrige at some point it makes sense to use the fathers name instead of changing it later.
Legally I think you can use either.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 01:36 PM
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I thought it would be a double barrel name.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 01:43 PM
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Took my surname as we plan to marry at some point
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bat-Fink
I thought it would be a double barrel name.
Like Dixon-*****?
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 01:48 PM
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Should always be the fathers name unless he is a complete wastrel/deserter etc.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Should always be the fathers name unless he is a complete wastrel/deserter etc.
Is that because it is viewed as traditional in your eyes? If you are not married and have no intention to do so, it doesn't matter surely?
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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I've known a couple that went double barreled
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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My little girl has my surname, much to my ex's chagrin.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by weapon69
Is that because it is viewed as traditional in your eyes? If you are not married and have no intention to do so, it doesn't matter surely?
I guess if you are some kind of new-age impotent male that is under the whip, then you may be happy to have your bloodlines and name ending with yourself while the female gets the power.

On a more emotional level I have found it quite hard to bond with my son, he is with my wife all day and during the week I hardly see him because of work. Sometimes you feel pretty left out as a father when he constantly runs to Mummy all the time. The name thing is pretty important to me because it re-inforces that he is my son too.

As a father how would you feel watching your son grow up and play football or gain academic achievement with is mothers name?
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 02:13 PM
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Kiwi - she's a mother.

Doubtless the father will be along to comment shortly
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MJW
My little girl has my surname, much to my ex's chagrin.
The way you say that makes me think she has tried to change the girl's surname?

Kiwi-interesting you should say about bonding, i find it difficult with my son having my boyfriend's surname.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
I guess if you are some kind of new-age impotent male that is under the whip, then you may be happy to have your bloodlines and name ending with yourself while the female gets the power.

On a more emotional level I have found it quite hard to bond with my son, he is with my wife all day and during the week I hardly see him because of work. Sometimes you feel pretty left out as a father when he constantly runs to Mummy all the time. The name thing is pretty important to me because it re-inforces that he is my son too.

As a father how would you feel watching your son grow up and play football or gain academic achievement with is mothers name?
Neither of my sons share my surname and by the sounds of things I am far closer to them that you are yours. There was a reasoning behind them taking thier mothers name which I wont go into here; suffice to say it was the rigth decision then and still is now.

A name means absolutely nothing. Either of my sons could play for England or become world famous academics with the name "Moon Unit Alpha" and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference - They would still be my sons. Whether the world knows they are my kids or not doesn't bother me at all - The people that need to know they are mine already do.

You are a father through your actions - not by sharing the same surname.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
You are a father through your actions - not by sharing the same surname.
Aint that the truth! Good post.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Neither of my sons share my surname and by the sounds of things I am far closer to them that you are yours. There was a reasoning behind them taking thier mothers name which I wont go into here; suffice to say it was the rigth decision then and still is now.
Well it's not a competition, it's a fact. Many infants/toddlers are closer to the mothers, they are breastfed for their first year or so, spend all day with them and mostly other mothers so they are a lot more used to females. An hour a day if you are lucky can't compete with that.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 02:48 PM
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illegitimate is the name, my sister in law isnt married and her kids are little bastrds
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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My two have both our surnames. And we are married
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
I've known a couple that went double barreled
Interesting one that.

A couple across the road from us are married, but she kept her maiden name for professional reasons. Their eldest daughter (21) uses her father's surname, while the youngest daughter (18) prefers to go double barrelled

I don't have any spawn of my own, which is nice, and MrsD's kids both have their late father's surname, it doesn't stop me treating them as my own though, and it doesn't stop them treating me like an ATM, as any kid does with either parent
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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We've got a girl on the way and we're not married. This came up early on and was decided that it would take my name (father) as we would at some future point get married.

As mentioned above, the kid should be named after the mother if the father is absent, dead, a complete w@nker or as kiwi so puts it a "new-age impotent male that is under the whip".
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:46 PM
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Interesting when after plans to marry things do go pete tong, and the mother eventually gets with another man. Even if he is not a waster, things go wrong.

Anyway, when the 3 of you go on holiday, no one has the same name.....the passport people love that.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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We're not married, and have two sprogs. Both have my name (Father's that is). Intend to get married at some time (she's Australian) but it nearly all went Pete Tong when we went back to Australia with number 1 child (before number 2 was born), and we came back separately as I had to work.

She came through customs, with both her and the kid on an Australian passport (unmarried thus child took mothers nationality, as this was back in 2005), and because the child had my name, but Mum's passport was in her own name, all sorts of hassle to get back in (how do we know child is yours etc etc?)...

Then, number 2 came along last October, and we then found out via another forum that the laws changed last July and because the kid is born to a English dad, he is eligible for UK passport, which he now has. And because his Mum is Australian, he is eligible for an Australian passport - which he now has. Both in my name but it does make it easier to travel....

Interesting point for those of you, unmarried, with 'foreign' partners, or partners with non UK passports. The laws have changed so you can now apply and get a UK passport for your nipper. Makes a world of difference...

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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
As a father how would you feel watching your son grow up and play football or gain academic achievement with is mothers name?

proud of your kids? sounds like you have issues beyond surnames.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 05:48 PM
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How about settling and having one of your Scoobynet names? Assume the sprog is called baby. How about

Baby 2Zero or Baby Weapon??

Just giving you options

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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by The Snug Rhino
proud of your kids? sounds like you have issues beyond surnames.
Think about what you are saying, because you are virtually disagreeing with the entire notion of patrilineal descent and saying that 99% of all men in human history have issues.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 10:11 PM
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Kiwi, this name milarky is dying out. A lot of women are not taking the Chaps name when they get married, they are keeping their own, and adding to it. As I said, I did this, hence my kids have both our surnames
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I'm afraid I'm with Kiwi on this one. My name or the highway

new-age impotent male that is under the whip
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the fathers name as im planning to marry my other arf in 2 yrs or so time
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Think about what you are saying, because you are virtually disagreeing with the entire notion of patrilineal descent and saying that 99% of all men in human history have issues.
As people of Nordic descent do anyway daughters take their mother's names, only sons take the father's

And for certain members of both our and America's population the notion is complete bollox anyway, because if you trace their lineage back a couple of hundred years you'll find their forebears were given the names of their owners
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Think about what you are saying, because you are virtually disagreeing with the entire notion of patrilineal descent and saying that 99% of all men in human history have issues.

To be fair, I think he was just saying that there are more important things to worry about as a parent than whether your kids have your surname.
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