BBC HD Showing This Weekend
02 January 2007, 08:21 PM
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BBC HD Showing This Weekend
I see that the BBC are showing the FA Cup Matches in HD this weekend.
I have FREEVIEW - do I need a HD Box to receive it? And are special boxes available? Or will my FREEVIEW box show it?
I have FREEVIEW - do I need a HD Box to receive it? And are special boxes available? Or will my FREEVIEW box show it?
02 January 2007, 08:38 PM
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You need an HD Box. BBC HD is a free to air service carried over the Sky satellite network. Though you will be able to receive BBC services without charge, at the moment the only practical way to get them is via a subscription to Sky HD.
You will never be able to get true HD over DTT (Freeview) because of the bandwidth requirements of the HD sigal.
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You will never be able to get true HD over DTT (Freeview) because of the bandwidth requirements of the HD sigal.
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02 January 2007, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
You will never be able to get true HD over DTT (Freeview) because of the bandwidth requirements of the HD sigal.
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02 January 2007, 08:57 PM
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The issue is bandwidth Pete; not signal strength. The DVB signal strength will increase when analogue transmissions are stopped, but the bandwidth wont increase.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
at the moment the only practical way to get them is via a subscription to Sky HD.
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02 January 2007, 09:41 PM
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You could. Though the testing we've recently done on the Pace boxes makes me inclined not to...
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PS This is my opinion and in no way reflects that of Pace or Sky...
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02 January 2007, 10:22 PM
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No, I think SL2 has the wrong end of the stick. There really isn't the bandwidth for true HD on DTT. If you look you can often see massive artifacts where the compression has been ramped up too far on regular SD stuff as well, especially if there's lots of action going on. I can't give you the exact numbers, but the bandwidth needed for Dolby digital HD channels is an order of magnitude more than for the equivalent SD. And with DTT there is o adaptive multiplexing (because it's expensive) so none of the clever techniques the satellite broadcasters use to maximise bandwidth will be available...
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Simon; a number of websites stated that the BBC had conducted 'HD Freeview trials in London', but they didnt offer any futher (technical) details. Would it be possible to multiplex a couple (or more) of the higher bitrate channels together to achieve the required bandwidth? Any (not too!) technical links would be appreciated too.
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02 January 2007, 11:21 PM
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You can see that ITV1 is much higher resolution than ITV3 or 4. I guess ITV 1 has more bandwidth allocated to it than ITV3/4. I guess BBC can ramp up the bandwidth to BBC 1 if they have the bandwidth capacity (maybe at the the expense of other channels? Either way, in the long term they'll all be able to have more bandwidth - by which time we'll all be watching TV on 1000000 meg broadband connections anyway 
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
You could. Though the testing we've recently done on the Pace boxes makes me inclined not to...
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PS This is my opinion and in no way reflects that of Pace or Sky...
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PS This is my opinion and in no way reflects that of Pace or Sky...
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
No, I think SL2 has the wrong end of the stick. There really isn't the bandwidth for true HD on DTT. If you look you can often see massive artifacts where the compression has been ramped up too far on regular SD stuff as well, especially if there's lots of action going on. I can't give you the exact numbers, but the bandwidth needed for Dolby digital HD channels is an order of magnitude more than for the equivalent SD. And with DTT there is o adaptive multiplexing (because it's expensive) so none of the clever techniques the satellite broadcasters use to maximise bandwidth will be available...
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Good link.
A direct quote from the BBC site:
"The BBC is currently running HD trial broadcasts, due to last until 2007, which began with the football World Cup and Wimbledon. The trial also includes drama, events and documentaries - a few hours are broadcast each day. The programmes are being broadcast via satellite and cable, but not on Freeview as there is currently not enough space (bandwidth). You don't need to pay a subscription to watch programmes on the BBC HD trial."
I put the pertinent bit in bold...
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A direct quote from the BBC site:
"The BBC is currently running HD trial broadcasts, due to last until 2007, which began with the football World Cup and Wimbledon. The trial also includes drama, events and documentaries - a few hours are broadcast each day. The programmes are being broadcast via satellite and cable, but not on Freeview as there is currently not enough space (bandwidth). You don't need to pay a subscription to watch programmes on the BBC HD trial."
I put the pertinent bit in bold...
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03 January 2007, 12:30 AM
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The issue is bandwidth Pete; not signal strength. The DVB signal strength will increase when analogue transmissions are stopped, but the bandwidth wont increase.
03 January 2007, 12:37 AM
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If thats what youve read I dont doubt it. Pete was 'right' (or rather correct) by mistake though; of that Im certain.
Simon; that clears that up then. I can only assume that one DVB/Freeview site copied of another and that they were mistaken.
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Simon; that clears that up then. I can only assume that one DVB/Freeview site copied of another and that they were mistaken.
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Originally Posted by pslewis
So, why buy a HD Ready TV Now?
It's going to be decades before HD is Free to View
I'll be dead by then
It's going to be decades before HD is Free to View
I'll be dead by then
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03 January 2007, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Good link.
A direct quote from the BBC site:
"The BBC is currently running HD trial broadcasts, due to last until 2007, which began with the football World Cup and Wimbledon. The trial also includes drama, events and documentaries - a few hours are broadcast each day. The programmes are being broadcast via satellite and cable, but not on Freeview as there is currently not enough space (bandwidth). You don't need to pay a subscription to watch programmes on the BBC HD trial."
I put the pertinent bit in bold...
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A direct quote from the BBC site:
"The BBC is currently running HD trial broadcasts, due to last until 2007, which began with the football World Cup and Wimbledon. The trial also includes drama, events and documentaries - a few hours are broadcast each day. The programmes are being broadcast via satellite and cable, but not on Freeview as there is currently not enough space (bandwidth). You don't need to pay a subscription to watch programmes on the BBC HD trial."
I put the pertinent bit in bold...
SB
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I see that the BBC are showing the FA Cup Matches in HD this weekend.
I have FREEVIEW - do I need a HD Box to receive it? And are special boxes available? Or will my FREEVIEW box show it?
I have FREEVIEW - do I need a HD Box to receive it? And are special boxes available? Or will my FREEVIEW box show it?
PSL - You know full well that you can't get HD via FREEVIEW. I may have missed it, but as far as I remember you still own a CRT, despite numerous threads about which LCD/Plasma is best, you still conclude that nothing beats it. So even if you could get HD via FREEVIEW you don't have a HD capable set to display it on
03 January 2007, 12:31 PM
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It is being broadcast on BBC HD and you can watch it in HD on Freeview in London.
Saturday 06 January
BBC HD
16:30 Final Score
Results and reaction from football matches around Britain, with the FA Cup third round promising more upsets.
17:05 Match of the Day Live
Gary Lineker presents live coverage of the FA Cup third round tie at Anfield between holders Liverpool and Arsenal. Commentary from John Motson, kick-off at 5.15.
Saturday 06 January
BBC HD
16:30 Final Score
Results and reaction from football matches around Britain, with the FA Cup third round promising more upsets.
17:05 Match of the Day Live
Gary Lineker presents live coverage of the FA Cup third round tie at Anfield between holders Liverpool and Arsenal. Commentary from John Motson, kick-off at 5.15.
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Originally Posted by Coffin Dodger
Can't get over how many posts this obvious wind up has got, you lot need to get a life
PSL - You know full well that you can't get HD via FREEVIEW. I may have missed it, but as far as I remember you still own a CRT, despite numerous threads about which LCD/Plasma is best, you still conclude that nothing beats it. So even if you could get HD via FREEVIEW you don't have a HD capable set to display it on
PSL - You know full well that you can't get HD via FREEVIEW. I may have missed it, but as far as I remember you still own a CRT, despite numerous threads about which LCD/Plasma is best, you still conclude that nothing beats it. So even if you could get HD via FREEVIEW you don't have a HD capable set to display it on
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04 January 2007, 05:15 PM
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"We calculate that there could be room for up to six high-definition channels in the freed-up spectrum," a BBC spokeswoman said.
There are only 6 Channels worth watching so we are OK for aerial Freeview HDTV then!!
There are only 6 Channels worth watching so we are OK for aerial Freeview HDTV then!!