lozgti

Obviously lots of patrols about at the moment breathalysing people in mornings(which is nice...seeing the police active and I'm not being sarcastic)

Thing is,started to get paranoid.Will a couple of large glasses of wine be registering in the morning?It's just impossible to work out.

How long since the last slurp,large breakfast,lots to eat at night etc.Do we all have to drink nothing in an evening to be safe??

I think its a bit of a sneaky one though police peole have told me people can be badly impaired drivers whether you think you are sober or not!

Have you packed in your evening snifters?

davegtt

This gets me, Id rather see them out in the evenings stopping the drivers not in the mornings. Im walking everywhere at the minute though cause my car broke down last week. the bonus is I can drink as much as possible til I pass out (which I did on saturday )

wez_sti

Alcohol stays in the body ALOT longer than people think,

there a gov website (i'll try and find it) and you put in what you've drunk and it gives you a *rough* idea of how long it'll still be in your system, i did it for a fairly light thursday night out and it took till 7:30 the next night!

think i heard 20% of drink drive convictions are on 'the morning after the night before'

be careful!

Brendan Hughes

Two glasses of wine won't register after 8 hours' sleep. 9 pints followed by 5 shorts and a "down-in-one half bottle of Smirnoff" competition will.

Plenty of research to show that alcohol is one of the drugs which fools you into thinking it hasn't had an effect, when it has.

rossi_p

iTrader: (26)

Halfords used to sell a 'do it yourself, morning after tester'. Not sure if they still do but could be worth a look.

Not worth the risk in my opinion, so if in doubt....

davegtt

Get in the car cause its cold outside

MY00PPP

OK, I am going to have a soapbox moment....

case a) chap goes out on a thursday night, drinks 5 pints and drives home. 'neenor neenor', provides a positive sample and gets (rightly) nicked.

case b) chap goes to his office xmas party, drinks 8 pints. being a good boy, gets a cab home and goes to bed. wakes up, gets a shower and drives to work. 'neenor neenor', provides a positive sample.

I understand the dangers of driving over the limit and I do not intend to condone such behaviour. however, is the above not a case for having different charges as is such with murder/manslaughter?? one, the full force of the law thrown at the guy who KNOWINGLEY drunk and drove. with the lesser offence of driving whilst over the limit for the guy who did his utmost not to drive when over but turned out to be.

OK, so the effects of both drivers being over the limit could have the same deadly results, however one has the intent the other thought he was ok to drive but turned out to be over.

to reiterate, NOT condoning. Just think there maybe room for some difference in the law.

Rich

Terzo 333

You can get breath testers off eBay that are fairly accurate...

Leslie

Its different for everyone lozgti, unless you had very little to drink its going to be a risk alright.

Les

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

I just dont drive the next day unless its been a trivial amount, can't risk it, if you feel wretched its safe to say that even if the alcohol has left your body then your still shouldnt be driving.

J4cko's mate had his Christmas do the other night and we worked out that based on what he drank he cannot drive until May.

Brendan Hughes

As a lawyer, I'll throw that right back at you and say that a guy who is completely out of his head DOESN'T have intent, because he's incapable of thinking straight and therefore cannot form intent

Someone only needs to recognise that if they had a real skinful the night before and could be still over the limit in the morning, to avoid the above.

I'd say it's more a problem where some guy purposefully shuts his keys in the boot and sleeps it off in the back seat, then is woken up by a knock on the window and loses his licence - that strikes me as punishing someone who has really tried not to drink and drive. Unlike your example.

moses

yo brendan merry xmas

sorry mate im wishing all merry xmas, im goin jihad soon

so saying peace tae the good people of the world


u have a nice one

vindaloo

I did some guestimates once with a colleague at work.

I reckoned on a night out where 5 pints of normal-strong bitter were consumed, finish at 11:00-11:30 PM as that's when the pubs used to shut.

Doing the sums seemed to indicate that 08:00 the next morning I'd give a positive breath test.

I s'pose the way to be positive is to get a breath tester machine. Thing is, what do you do if it comes out positive? Will work understand or do you pull a sickie? 5 pints is quite easily defined as a "binge" these days.

J.

Brendan Hughes

Hey moses, cheers mate, and to you and your family

With the amount that I defend Muslims on here, and the amount I get gushy about my gorgeous baby daughter (not on here, trying to control myself), people might think we're the same person

But I can't type in your funny language

Have a good one

MY00PPP

fair point.

'Intent', in a pure legal sense, is something different to what I am trying to articulate...

still referring to 'case b'. the chap gets up and feels fine. the only sign of being over is the levels within his blood/breath. if he gets pulled over he is 'unlucky' because, he is not knowingly over the limit and has done everything possible not to drive.

He will be sentanced to the same extent of the law as with case a. that's where, in my mind at least, the inconsistency lies.

Flatcapdriver

The problem with any form of measurement is that everyone metabolises alcohol at different rates, so you can only estimate the amount of time alchohol stays in the bloodstream to effect a positive reading.

Whilst I agree that there are differing levels of intent, at the end of the day any scaling of sentencing would be open to abuse, so I think the limit is the limit and that's the best way to enforce drink driving.

Brendan Hughes

Well, not exactly - a judge has some leeway on the sentencing. But your point may be that a minimum 18mth ban is not enough leeway.

Thanks to FCD for articulating what I tried to type 3 times and failed .

MY00PPP

what legal specialism do you practice btw?

j4ckos mate

yep was at it big time on sat night "pushed the envelope"


not drivin yet till probably tuesday

its just not worth it


quite amusing though finding out what happened and tenetively creeping around the office, not been told of anything yet although a few others made ait of theirselves

Brendan Hughes

I don't but I did a Masters in international and transnational drug laws, so I try to keep up.

moses

haha lol, nice one bud, that made me laff, u can always be my long lost twin me the darker one haha

God bless u bros, if u dont mind me calling u that and also may the next yr be a very joyful and prosperous one

God bless u bros and thanks

colin1uk

i unit of alcohol= 1 hour to get out of bloodstream

1 unit of alcohol= half a pint of lager/beer (not super strength).

speedking

Similar thread here from 2002.

Have a look at post #32 and the first link. Surprised to see it still exists. Can't vouch for the accuracy though.