lozgti

Somewhere better than the UK.Seriously considering it.Greece or Italy.

Brendan Hughes

Define "better".

Jerome

Ditto define "better".

Don't assume that all the things that make you want to leave the UK are not going to apply to a new country. Even if they don't, a whole new set of issues may well crop up with the new country.

davegtt

Greece? Wipe your ar$e and put the paper in the bin, no thanks...

Germany

Drunken Bungle Whore

Depends why you're wanting to leave. Read a really good quote from an actor over the weekend (the guy that plays Mr Eko in Lost) he said that a few years ago he'd had enough of it all and moved to a small island near Tahiti in search of peace - while he was there he realised that everywhere has its problems - even paradise - and the only way to be happy is to be at peace with yourself.

Know why you're leaving and know exactly what you're looking for - emigrating based on recommendations from NSR seems a little drastic.....

Brendan Hughes

ISTR most of your beef is with immigration. I suggest you look at Italian statistics on Albanian organised crime before you put that country on your wishlist. It's only a ?80km illegal boat trip between the two countries.

lozgti

I'm thinking about peoples values/lack of respect really.Shrugged it off for years.Since the little ones arrived I worry far more about them.Never known the complexion of somewhere change so much in such a short time.Last ten years or so.

Might seem dramatic but surely there are some countries with a less tolerant approach to people's bad behaviour.Japan? New Zealand?

Suppose I'm just seeing the red mist but even education drives me crackers.Without paying privately it seems my two will grow up illiterate.

I don't know

lightning101

Scotland

Karl 227

lightning101

Bugger off back to poland

Brendan Hughes

Values and lack of respect is as much media hype as reality. People have always been concerned about this - look at punk, look at The Who, look at Elvis, and you'll find similar examples going back a hundred or more years - the Gin Lane drawing of the 18th century is just another version. The only difference is you're subjected to more news about it. Tip - if you go to another country that's not English-speaking, chances are you won't read their newspapers, and you'll think it's nicer. It won't be, but you're just shielded from it. I've started to read Metro on the train to work in the mornings - I think 10 policemen have been killed around Lisbon this year already. That would be headline news in the UK.

If you want a country with a serious attitude towards respect you can try Japan, with its umpteen different language variants of terms of respect that cause so much frustration, or you could try a strictly Muslim country like UAE which is great unless one of your children is female (Paul will be along to correct me I'm sure ). The Taliban are also big on the "respect" thing, so I hear

As for education - if you are prepared to pay for your children's education, that's great. I paid for my son to go to the better of the two English schools in Lisbon - it was £5kpa at age 13 rising to £10kpa at sixth form, and the other was barely 10% cheaper. Might not be of interest until you realise the minimum monthly salary in Portugal is £200.

DBW's quote, IMHO, is spot on.

Karl 227

Grass is always greener bla bla bla, think very very hard about giving up your friends and family, I did and have never regretted it

Well, apart from having to eat bloody sausages and sauerkraut for the rest of my life

Karl 227

Oh and not being allowed to mow the lawn or wash my car on a Sunday

Karl 227

I also miss going to B&Q on a Sunday to buy some stuff

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

And drink all that cheep German beer, fill up your cheep car with 100 ron petrol and blast it down the autobahn

Karl 227

Well, there are a few plus points, granted

Mark Miwurdz

Where do I sign up? Sounds bloody marvellous! Come to think of it, is there a country where mowing the lawn and car-washing (and trips to B&Q) are criminal activities?



Cheers
Kav

Brendan Hughes

Car-washing's a crime in southern England at the mo, I thought?

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

There is a downside to not being allowed to mow the lawn on a sunday though, and that is for them to mow the lawn at 7:30am monday morning instead.

Shark Man

Elvis lived with his parents

Old fashioned red neck family values IMO

Oh, and go to Canada - just avoid Montreal

Ted Maul

watch out, plenty of benders in greece and italy

lozgti

Thought that was Turkey

Quite how it relates to anything said above is more confusing though

Jerome

I would say avoid Quebec as a whole, not just Montreal. Unless you speak fluent French that is.

John Catlin

New Zealand

Iwan

I'd quite like to go and live in Slovakia one day, my GF's home country. It's a lovely place and people (in the east at least) seem to be very friendly. There seems to be lots of emphasis on the family unit, even though they earn far less the people just seem a lot happier over there. I guess the place has it's problems though, which as a visitor I haven't seen much yet.

Only big problem for me is at the moment there's hardly any jobs, hence why lots of the younger people are heading over here to find work.

Australia is a possibility too, I went out there for a 3 week recce about 6 months ago. I could quite easily adjust to living there I think.

Shark Man

Language was never a problem. Just the people get up their ***** about the fact they "can" speak French as well as English. So more of a attitude thing than anything.

They live like the French too..yuk

But your right, avoid Quebeck as a whole

Moley

iTrader: (9)

As Shark Man said it would have to be Canada

I have to be several places in Europe, but none even come close to the way of life and the people out there.

Would move there in a second if i could (and i'm working on it!!!)

Shark Man

Sydney would be my second choice to Vancouver/Victoria BC

The ozzys are nice folk, as long as you can put up with the swearing and the constant pommy jiibes don't get to your head

KiwiGTI

Sydney is a dump, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth are all much nicer. Melbourne is always ranked in the top 3 liveable cities, usually winning it.

Shark Man

Depends which part you mean by dump.

Every city has a "bad" area even squeeky clean Toronto. I prefered the night life and variety at Sydney compared to the other Australian cities, which for want of a better expression, had more of a redneck attitude