Petem95

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...172951,00.html

This is starting to get silly, just recently we've had:

Ntl - 6000 jobs cut
Littlewoods direct - 1200 cut
Orange - 2000 cut
TVR - hundreds cut
Peugeot - few thousand cut wasnt it?

How long is this going to go on for? Seems every other day you hear of a firm going under, or cutting significant numbers of jobs?....

The Zohan

It is a sad state of affairs. I am sure would have been natural wastage but out of 7000 approx - I wonder how many.

I wonder what job opportunities will be avaliable to these people.

Kinda follows on from
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509528

lozgti

And so it begins.....

Paul3446

Amazingly enough though, government figures show unemployment at an all time low!

Clarebabes

It probably doesn't include young people or those who lost their job on a day with a "d" in it.

This Government love targets, perhaps they've set themselves one to massage the figures. Remember, 98% of statistics are made up.

Brendan Hughes

Gotta love SN (how many times have I said that recently? )

Try going to Advanced Search, type "NTL" for Thread Titles, and search in NSR.

In five years on this board I think 99% of the posts about NTL had a cuss or a in them.

And now you're concerned/upset that they've had to sack 6000 people?

Same could probably be said for Orange recently.

Why is there no post "Thank God those stupid companies are paying for their ****-ups at last"?

Clarebabes

Brendan, you could look at it this way: if their customer service was bad anyway, what's it going to be like with 6,000 less staff?

I hate ntl, but I feel sorry for the people losing their jobs all the same.

The Zohan

I know where you are coming from, I have had problems with Orange and we have now left Orange due to them and their attitude.
I have been fecked about by people in UK call centres and Indian call centres.
I do however place the blame squarely with the management of the company. Rubbish processes, poor training, uninterested employess/crap morale is usually always down to the management or mismanagment of the company.
However getting rid of the odd bad employees is difficult as well.

Suresh

Sorry to p1ss on your chips, but UK Government figures are produced according to ILO standards and have been since around 1997. This means that the Government cannot arbitrarily manipulate the figures.

Also, keep in mind that announcements of job losses are typically announced upfront (for shareholder benefit), whereas the actual attrition takes place over a period of time, which could even be years.

HTH

Suresh

brumdaisy

When was the last time you heard the national media talking about jobs created?

So chill people and stop believing everything you read

The Zohan

Not sure how it works exactly but here you go;
A mate who has been self employed for three years has just gone to sign on, She lost a big contract and has decided to go back into employment.
She went to sign on and was unable to as he was self employed between april 2003-4. not paid class 1 nat ins (paid by the employer so not if you are self employed you pay class 2)
She does not qualify for job seakers allowance and is not part of the unemployed.

So just tell me again the figures cannot be manipulated

I am sure she is not unique, this was nearly my situation as well however i start work next week in Dubai!

Petem95

We need to look at official unemployment figures AND the numbers on disability to get the true picture...

Leslie

I can feel a summer of discontent in the wind.

Les

Brendan Hughes

Lay off the beans then

The Zohan

What a farce!

unclebuck

Great - everything is fine then. lol

lozgti

Wonder how many outsourced jobs (roughly) there have been since it was the trendy thing to do, coupled with redundancies in relation to new jobs created over the last nine years?

Someone will have a good idea and the impact on the UK.Then there will be Suresh's version .

OllyK

And the increase in civil servants.

Brendan Hughes

- like it. All the crap NTL and Orange helpline people are now employed on benefits helplines instead. Massive drops in benefit claims as people can't work their way through the system to get an answer

MikeCardiff

iTrader: (2)

The unemployment figures have always been fiddled - the figures show people claiming unemployment benefit, but dont include those who get moved sideways onto New Deal or similar training schemes, which become compulsory after a certain amount of time signing on.

The New Deal is one of the ways Labour supported their claim of halving the unemployment in this country - they just signed people off the Dole and onto New Deal instead ( which wasnt counted in the figures ), then when the New Deal period ends, the person gets stuck back on the dole, and the next lot go on New Deal.

Much as I dislike them, you have to think the French or Germans would never put up with half the crap we have to in this country ( lets face it, the French will start rioting for pretty much any reason ).

pslewis

We have never had it so good!!!!

And if YOU haven't got it good then it's YOUR fault for being so pathetic as to blame everything else except YOURSELF!!

Those who want others to do everything for them ALWAYS moan and blubber and cry that it's not fair ...... the BEST get up, get out and DO something for themselves!!!

Losers and winners .... it's always been the same, so - who are the losers? Hands up Leslie, petem95, unclebuck, ollyk, paul hapgood, you KNOW who you are!

Pete

OllyK

Pug is shutting its Ryton plant later this year. Interestingly they had to decide between Ryton plant or Paris plant. Now you may be partly correct in thinking that it is political that a French company keeps the Paris plant open, however, it's also interesting when you see what the comparitive redundancy pay outs are. When you look at that, it makes financial sense, it's way cheaper to ditch the British workers.

unclebuck

British ecomony under New Labour -




Something's going to snap soon under the burden put on business by New Labour's economic incompetence

unclebuck

Shift at Morrisons finished then?

The Zohan

15% Morissons staff discount and a spiffy uniform to boot - i bet PSL has never had it so good !

OllyK

Ahhh so us having it so good is entirely down to us and the government played no part in it, interesting U turn there PSL, you usually claim it's all thanks to NL that we're doing so well.

Suresh

Of course the figures are fiddled. They always have been. Don't be so bloody naiive.
I suppose you are too young to remember the YTS scam then? The Tories actually changed the way unemployment stats are measured 18 times whilst in office.
The point is that under preferred ILO methods countries can fiddle their figures, but only in certain, consistent ways. This means than figures become comparable between countries and more importantly, between periods. And for Pete95 (IQ) the numbers on disability are little changed since NL took office.

But why let the facts get in the way of your BNP circle jerk....

Petem95

The words could've come straight out of Tony's mouth

They were probably correcting all the fiddles in the calculation introduced by the previous Labour government...

Oh my, hes on form today!! Stop now Suresh, "you is spoiling us with your witty comments"....

Petem95

To add to the list, Vauxhall have just announced they may cut 1000 jobs in the UK

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/10052006/32...-000-jobs.html