Is this discrimination?
08 May 2006, 12:50 PM
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Is this discrimination?
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Wife went for an interview last week, didn't get the job, but she's not too worried about it. I raise the following question out of interest, she's no intention of following any action up, there may have been better candidates , who knows?
The job in question was an exam admin post at Catholic state school. One of the questions she was asked was 'This is a Catholic School, what would you bring that would contribute to upholding our Catholic values?' (or something like this, can't remember the exact words)
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Is it legit to ask questions about your religious inclinations? She was very much under the impression that she was being asked if she was a Catholic (and she's not). What has religion got to do with the job. Or were they just wording the question carefully
Wife went for an interview last week, didn't get the job, but she's not too worried about it. I raise the following question out of interest, she's no intention of following any action up, there may have been better candidates , who knows?
The job in question was an exam admin post at Catholic state school. One of the questions she was asked was 'This is a Catholic School, what would you bring that would contribute to upholding our Catholic values?' (or something like this, can't remember the exact words)
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Is it legit to ask questions about your religious inclinations? She was very much under the impression that she was being asked if she was a Catholic (and she's not). What has religion got to do with the job. Or were they just wording the question carefully
08 May 2006, 01:30 PM
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Situation.
Wife went for an interview last week, didn't get the job, but she's not too worried about it. I raise the following question out of interest, she's no intention of following any action up, there may have been better candidates , who knows?
The job in question was a sales post at a Shop. One of the questions she was asked was 'This is a Shop, what would you bring that would increase our turnover?' (or something like this, can't remember the exact words)
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Is it legit to ask questions about your sales ability? She was very much under the impression that she was being asked if she could sell (and she cant). What has selling got to do with the job. Or were they just wording the question carefully
Wife went for an interview last week, didn't get the job, but she's not too worried about it. I raise the following question out of interest, she's no intention of following any action up, there may have been better candidates , who knows?
The job in question was a sales post at a Shop. One of the questions she was asked was 'This is a Shop, what would you bring that would increase our turnover?' (or something like this, can't remember the exact words)
Question
Is it legit to ask questions about your sales ability? She was very much under the impression that she was being asked if she could sell (and she cant). What has selling got to do with the job. Or were they just wording the question carefully
08 May 2006, 01:47 PM
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Farmer1 - your post tries to imply that being a catholic or having catholic values is some sort of requirement for working at a catholic school by comparing it to having shop work experience for working in a shop.
The two are not comparable situations.
Do you need to be black to work in an R+B club? No.
So whether your catholic or not shouldn't have any affect on whether you can work in a catholic school.
The two are not comparable situations.
Do you need to be black to work in an R+B club? No.
So whether your catholic or not shouldn't have any affect on whether you can work in a catholic school.
08 May 2006, 01:51 PM
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would it not be seen as 'trade knowledge'...?
you wouldnt go for a specialised job without the necessary knowledge or experience, and not to get the job on those grounds isnt discrinimation is it...?
although in this day and age you wouldnt be surprised if there was a case to answer...
you wouldnt go for a specialised job without the necessary knowledge or experience, and not to get the job on those grounds isnt discrinimation is it...?
although in this day and age you wouldnt be surprised if there was a case to answer...
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
Farmer1 - your post tries to imply that being a catholic or having catholic values is some sort of requirement for working at a catholic school by comparing it to having shop work experience for working in a shop.
The two are not comparable situations.
Do you need to be black to work in an R+B club? No.
So whether your catholic or not shouldn't have any affect on whether you can work in a catholic school.
The two are not comparable situations.
Do you need to be black to work in an R+B club? No.
So whether your catholic or not shouldn't have any affect on whether you can work in a catholic school.
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08 May 2006, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
Farmer1 - your post tries to imply that being a catholic or having catholic values is some sort of requirement for working at a catholic school by comparing it to having shop work experience for working in a shop.
The two are not comparable situations.
Do you need to be black to work in an R+B club? No.
So whether your catholic or not shouldn't have any affect on whether you can work in a catholic school.
The two are not comparable situations.
Do you need to be black to work in an R+B club? No.
So whether your catholic or not shouldn't have any affect on whether you can work in a catholic school.
08 May 2006, 01:54 PM
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Situation.
Come onto a BBS with a perfectly good question
Some smart **** copies you posts in order to prove some sort of point or to try and be funny.
Question
Should you say to that poster he's a ******* ***** or that he's just not funny
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ps Sounds like they only want Catholics at the school. She should have answered "A full Paedo investigation of all the Priests"
Come onto a BBS with a perfectly good question
Some smart **** copies you posts in order to prove some sort of point or to try and be funny.
Question
Should you say to that poster he's a ******* ***** or that he's just not funny
.ps Sounds like they only want Catholics at the school. She should have answered "A full Paedo investigation of all the Priests"
08 May 2006, 01:56 PM
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The post was an exam auditor, not a religious education teacher.
There is no need to the doorman on an r+b club to be black.
My comparison isn't spot on but what I'm saying is it sounds like discrimination to me.
For example an interviewer isn't allowed to ask if a woman has any interest in having kids soon but it's pretty relevant whether an employee is going to go missing for up to 12 month isn't it.
The point being just because its relevant in some way, doesn't make it right.
There is no need to the doorman on an r+b club to be black.
My comparison isn't spot on but what I'm saying is it sounds like discrimination to me.
For example an interviewer isn't allowed to ask if a woman has any interest in having kids soon but it's pretty relevant whether an employee is going to go missing for up to 12 month isn't it.
The point being just because its relevant in some way, doesn't make it right.
08 May 2006, 02:04 PM
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If you have a requirement which means a person applying for a job has to be available to work all seven days of the week, but they say they can't work Saturday or Sunday (or any other day) due to religious reasons, are you allowed to reject their application on that basis?
Good one to ask on your next "how to interview people" course.
Good one to ask on your next "how to interview people" course.
08 May 2006, 02:06 PM
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She should have answered "A full Paedo investigation of all the Priests"
Cheers mate, my boss is now looking at me wondering why I'm nearly in tears laughing 
08 May 2006, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
If you have a requirement which means a person applying for a job has to be available to work all seven days of the week, but they say they can't work Saturday or Sunday (or any other day) due to religious reasons, are you allowed to reject their application on that basis?
Good one to ask on your next "how to interview people" course.
Good one to ask on your next "how to interview people" course.
08 May 2006, 02:13 PM
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Ok then Richard using your example. Its like asking an application for a bouncer in a R&B club what they could bring to uphold discipline within the club.
Im not trying to be funny. It seems to me that they are asking if they have the additional skills to go with the background.
Im not trying to be funny. It seems to me that they are asking if they have the additional skills to go with the background.
08 May 2006, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
The post was an exam auditor, not a religious education teacher.
There is no need to the doorman on an r+b club to be black.
My comparison isn't spot on but what I'm saying is it sounds like discrimination to me.
For example an interviewer isn't allowed to ask if a woman has any interest in having kids soon but it's pretty relevant whether an employee is going to go missing for up to 12 month isn't it.
The point being just because its relevant in some way, doesn't make it right.
There is no need to the doorman on an r+b club to be black.
My comparison isn't spot on but what I'm saying is it sounds like discrimination to me.
For example an interviewer isn't allowed to ask if a woman has any interest in having kids soon but it's pretty relevant whether an employee is going to go missing for up to 12 month isn't it.
The point being just because its relevant in some way, doesn't make it right.
08 May 2006, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by farmer1
Ok then Richard using your example. Its like asking an application for a bouncer in a R&B club what they would they could bring to uphold discipline within the club.
08 May 2006, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
Not at all, you need to be able to uphold discipline to work as a bouncer. To work as an exam auditor you do not need to have any cathloic beliefs or values.
08 May 2006, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by farmer1
Im sorry I disagree.
From the end of 2003 it will be illegal to discriminate against people in employment or vocational training on the basis of their religion or beliefs.
08 May 2006, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
having considered this i suppose it boils down to whether she feels shes been discriminated against...thats all it takes to make a case...
At the end of the day, I'm inclined to agree with the person who said that you didn't have to be a catholic to uphold their views - just demonstrate a knowledge of the religion and act accordingly at work. However, realistically, if a person is not Catholic, the chances of them becomming sufficiently knowledgable about the religion to uphold Catholic views are fairly remote. Even if they do, they may have an issue with one or more of these views and feel unable to support them all, despite contributing to several others? What then?
Also, what of a person's conduct outside of school? Religion doesn't end at the gates of the School. What if, for arguments sake, someone over-heard that the lady concerned used contraception and it got back to the employer? It's not relevant to their work at school, but it's not Catholic.....(I think)
What then?
I think this is a case of discrimination in practice, but not principle
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
The post was an exam auditor, not a religious education teacher.
There is no need to the doorman on an r+b club to be black.
My comparison isn't spot on but what I'm saying is it sounds like discrimination to me.
For example an interviewer isn't allowed to ask if a woman has any interest in having kids soon but it's pretty relevant whether an employee is going to go missing for up to 12 month isn't it.
The point being just because its relevant in some way, doesn't make it right.
There is no need to the doorman on an r+b club to be black.
My comparison isn't spot on but what I'm saying is it sounds like discrimination to me.
For example an interviewer isn't allowed to ask if a woman has any interest in having kids soon but it's pretty relevant whether an employee is going to go missing for up to 12 month isn't it.
The point being just because its relevant in some way, doesn't make it right.
If the question had been:
'This is a Catholic School, what would you bring that would contribute to upholding our moral values?'
Would you feel there was an issue? Are morals Catholic specific?
08 May 2006, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
08 May 2006, 02:43 PM
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I'm not saying thats why she was turned down.
Nigel H was questioning whether it is legitimate to ask about religious inclinations. The answer would appear to be no.
A better question would have been to say, this is a school and we strive to bring up children to have high moral standards and values, do you believe you will be able to demonstrate suitably high moral values to be a good example to the children?
Nigel H was questioning whether it is legitimate to ask about religious inclinations. The answer would appear to be no.
A better question would have been to say, this is a school and we strive to bring up children to have high moral standards and values, do you believe you will be able to demonstrate suitably high moral values to be a good example to the children?
08 May 2006, 02:51 PM
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Find it very disappointing that everyone jumps on the 'sue sue sue'boat.Flipping discrimination.You should be entitled to employ who you want.Drives me mad.
How are people going to enforce the new 'age discrimination' rubbish as well? In my mind all children are now thick and therefore I would prefer to employ older people with common sense.Why should anyone have the right to moan about it?
Really gets up my nose
How are people going to enforce the new 'age discrimination' rubbish as well? In my mind all children are now thick and therefore I would prefer to employ older people with common sense.Why should anyone have the right to moan about it?
Really gets up my nose
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
I'm not saying thats why she was turned down.
Nigel H was questioning whether it is legitimate to ask about religious inclinations. The answer would appear to be no.
A better question would have been to say, this is a school and we strive to bring up children to have high moral standards and values, do you believe you will be able to demonstrate suitably high moral values to be a good example to the children?
Nigel H was questioning whether it is legitimate to ask about religious inclinations. The answer would appear to be no.
A better question would have been to say, this is a school and we strive to bring up children to have high moral standards and values, do you believe you will be able to demonstrate suitably high moral values to be a good example to the children?
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08 May 2006, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
Maybe if the business is your own you should be able to employ who you want, there is an argument for it.
However a school is publicly funded.
However a school is publicly funded.
