hows DC911 doing?
22 April 2006, 10:04 AM
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hows DC911 doing?
anyone heard how Darren is?
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23 April 2006, 04:09 PM
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me too. its been awhile now
23 April 2006, 04:20 PM
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I pass his work everyday and used to see him often.
I've not seen him since he was sentenced so he may be still inside or no longer working for his Dad.
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I've not seen him since he was sentenced so he may be still inside or no longer working for his Dad.
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23 April 2006, 05:00 PM
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think he got 5yrs tho Lee!!
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23 April 2006, 08:40 PM
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IIRC he got sent down for allegedly being involved in a race where someone else in another car lost control, crashed, and died. Though there was much dispute as to his actual involvement, or whether he was there at all.
23 April 2006, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by James Neill
What happened to the guy? Did a search and no mention
Sort of linked - was he the dude who had the black mini vtec with 14" x 7" tyres that was featured in Miniworld a couple of years back ??
24 April 2006, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ewanrw
If you read thru' some of the search results you will find out some stuff. Curiousity got the better of me but do not want to post what I found in case it is wrong.
Sort of linked - was he the dude who had the black mini vtec with 14" x 7" tyres that was featured in Miniworld a couple of years back ??
His main car years ago was a modified 22B type UK which is why he used scoobynet. Later he had a Porsche GT2 and a Lambo Gallardo.
There was an accident in Mansfield, a 911 and a motorcyle were racing and the biker lost control and died, the 911 didn't stop.
Darren was charged a year after the accident after a witness came forward but it was later found out the witness has a friend/relative who also owns a 911.
Bottom line is Darren got 5 years and he still insists it wasn't him.
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24 April 2006, 07:16 AM
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apparently he raced a guy on a Ducati who over took him and (i think it said in the Nottm Evening Post) the guy on the bike hit a car head on coming the other way, Darren said he knew nothing about it.
Witness at the time said he heard/sore a car like Darrens on the same road!
2 and 2 were put together
Witness at the time said he heard/sore a car like Darrens on the same road!
2 and 2 were put together
24 April 2006, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by salsa-king
apparently he raced a guy on a Ducati who over took him and (i think it said in the Nottm Evening Post) the guy on the bike hit a car head on coming the other way, Darren said he knew nothing about it.
Witness at the time said he heard/sore a car like Darrens on the same road!
2 and 2 were put together
Witness at the time said he heard/sore a car like Darrens on the same road!
2 and 2 were put together
For the grace of God go i
Had several 'runs' with bikes sometimes we even MAY have exceeded the speed limit but fortunately no problems. One of the best was down country lanes between Bisecter and Stony Stratford
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24 April 2006, 08:55 AM
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There would need to be corroborating evidence to put him away for five years.
Beyond reasonable doubt is the criteria - and a car similar to his on the same road by a witness a year later is not enough!
No disrepect to Darren who I don't know but 95% of the incarcerated are 'innocent'.
Beyond reasonable doubt is the criteria - and a car similar to his on the same road by a witness a year later is not enough!
No disrepect to Darren who I don't know but 95% of the incarcerated are 'innocent'.
24 April 2006, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
There would need to be corroborating evidence to put him away for five years.
The other four owners could prove where they were on the day, Darren freely admitted he was in Mansfield at the time (It's where he lived).
After the trial another witness came forward and said the 911 he saw was blue and not a GT2.
There were roumers of an appeal at which point Darrens legal teams asked scoobynet to delete all the threads at that time.
There was never any contact between the Porsche and the Ducati. If you race a bike and he looses it then be prepared for a causing death by dangerous driving charge.
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24 April 2006, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by logiclee
The late comming eye witness said it was a black GT2, there was less than 5 in the country at that time and only one in the Midlands.
The other four owners could prove where they were on the day, Darren freely admitted he was in Mansfield at the time (It's where he lived).
After the trial another witness came forward and said the 911 he saw was blue and not a GT2.
There were roumers of an appeal at which point Darrens legal teams asked scoobynet to delete all the threads at that time.
There was never any contact between the Porsche and the Ducati. If you race a bike and he looses it then be prepared for a causing death by dangerous driving charge.
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The other four owners could prove where they were on the day, Darren freely admitted he was in Mansfield at the time (It's where he lived).
After the trial another witness came forward and said the 911 he saw was blue and not a GT2.
There were roumers of an appeal at which point Darrens legal teams asked scoobynet to delete all the threads at that time.
There was never any contact between the Porsche and the Ducati. If you race a bike and he looses it then be prepared for a causing death by dangerous driving charge.
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24 April 2006, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
Sorry - but if that's ALL the evidence then Darren needs a NEW legal team or we need a new criminal justice system .
.I cannot believe someone of his apparent means cannot hire a decent legal team that could demontstrate that one dark 911 could be mistaken for a other dark 911.
Or that the late arriving witness who saw his GT2 was not a credible one.
I sense an incredble amount of naievety here - either from the person convicted of the crime, or from all those who believe he is innocent.
I also find it strange, given the huge number of comments that he was, in fact, innocent, that his family and friends have not pulled together, hired the best legal team money can buy and are fighting for his release.
You don't run cars like that without having a decent amount of finaincial clout.
As for the other post trial witness who said the car was blue (and hence not his) I cannot believe his evidence was not taken into account.
This whole thing makes no sense whatsoever, unless of course you run with the scenario that maybe it was DC911 who was involved with the Ducatti.
24 April 2006, 04:03 PM
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I also thought that the differences between a 911 and the GT2 were mostly under the bonnet (could be wrong - I'm no Porsche expert).
Unless the witness was the Product Development manager for Porsche how would you know a 911 v GT2 from a car that was racing a Ducati (presumably doing some sort of speed).
Unless the witness was the Product Development manager for Porsche how would you know a 911 v GT2 from a car that was racing a Ducati (presumably doing some sort of speed).
24 April 2006, 04:07 PM
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Exactly - unless you are very close to the car and could read the badge, you'd never know it was a GT2. At a distance it could be a Turbo or a C4S, but you'd have to be a Porsche fan to spot the differences.
24 April 2006, 04:42 PM
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One does wonder if the witness was asked if they could offer conclusive proof that it was a GT2 and not another 911 model, as stated above, you'd need to know about the cars to know exactly what it was. Even if it was identified by the bodykit/wing as a GT2, it does not mean it is one, could have been a C4 with a GT2 bodykit and wing on it.
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putting aside for a moment whether it was his car or not, why was 'he' seen to be responsible for the other persons death? Surely the only crime 'he' is guilty of is speeding/driving without due care etc?
The other driver chose to participate in a race and therefore is responsible for his own actions? How can darren/whoever be held responsible for someone else choosing to race and losing control?
There was another such incident near here recently and I just dont get the law on this
The other driver chose to participate in a race and therefore is responsible for his own actions? How can darren/whoever be held responsible for someone else choosing to race and losing control?
There was another such incident near here recently and I just dont get the law on this
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Originally Posted by brumdaisy
putting aside for a moment whether it was his car or not, why was 'he' seen to be responsible for the other persons death? Surely the only crime 'he' is guilty of is speeding/driving without due care etc?
The other driver chose to participate in a race and therefore is responsible for his own actions? How can darren/whoever be held responsible for someone else choosing to race and losing control?
There was another such incident near here recently and I just dont get the law on this
The other driver chose to participate in a race and therefore is responsible for his own actions? How can darren/whoever be held responsible for someone else choosing to race and losing control?
There was another such incident near here recently and I just dont get the law on this
24 April 2006, 05:11 PM
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i think if, between them, they cause damage to another person/property fine, they share responsibility but i dont see why they should be responsible for eachother....
just my opinion....
just my opinion....
24 April 2006, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
Exactly - unless you are very close to the car and could read the badge, you'd never know it was a GT2.
Remember Darren wasn't actually charged for nearly a year after the accident.
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It is also VERY subjective.
Last year I was driving across the moors in an isolated part of the country and a on a long straight I overtook a long stream of cars. I had plenty of visibilty and could easily and safely clear the cars.
There was a bike behind me who followed me past the cars and then passed me and went away out of sight.
Two corners later he had hit a car head on overtaking another car. We stopped and he died at the scene within minutes.
It worried me at the time that some Maestro driving Mr Sensible could have said we were racing (we weren't) simply because we were doing over 50mph and daring to overtake him. To Mr Sensible a 911 and a bike going briskly - i.e. faster than his sight-seeing pace must be racing.
On the basis of the above conviction all I need is a couple of neds to turn up at the Police station and I am away for five years...
...or is there more to the conviction we are not aware of?
Last year I was driving across the moors in an isolated part of the country and a on a long straight I overtook a long stream of cars. I had plenty of visibilty and could easily and safely clear the cars.
There was a bike behind me who followed me past the cars and then passed me and went away out of sight.
Two corners later he had hit a car head on overtaking another car. We stopped and he died at the scene within minutes.
It worried me at the time that some Maestro driving Mr Sensible could have said we were racing (we weren't) simply because we were doing over 50mph and daring to overtake him. To Mr Sensible a 911 and a bike going briskly - i.e. faster than his sight-seeing pace must be racing.
On the basis of the above conviction all I need is a couple of neds to turn up at the Police station and I am away for five years...
...or is there more to the conviction we are not aware of?
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