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Old 06 April 2006, 04:59 PM
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2 DAYS RUNNING 100K IN THE BOX, ohhhh **** lost her bottle.What would you have done ?
Old 06 April 2006, 05:01 PM
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I don't get the excitement in this program it's all speculation
Old 06 April 2006, 05:03 PM
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its all based on luck , but got me hooked since day 1.......sad yea i know


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Old 06 April 2006, 05:22 PM
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Yep its good telly but the entire game is based on luck, perhaps someone should point that out to the contestants....all that "positive energy" & holding hands to influence whats in the boxes aint gonna have any effect at all on the outcome. Plus when Noel Edmunds says "you have played this game so well"...what.....taken random guesses at the boxes & been lucky...hardly skill is it.

Anyway, didn't stop me applying to be on the next series (its the kind of game show that appeals to me - ie no skill needed)...but the lines are closed....dammit.

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Old 06 April 2006, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by speye91
What would you have done ?
speye91.........for 53,000 pounds.........DEAL OR NO DEAL????
Old 06 April 2006, 05:31 PM
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Let me tell you this show is funny as **** here in yankieland.

The yanks are leaning the other way, and not losing their bottle, instead going for it.

top prize here is $1M, last week a couple of times there were 4 cases left with 1 big number and 3 mickey mouse figures. Both times they went for it and got f**Ked.

but have to say fair play for them going for it.

funniest one i've seen though was a woman who picked her wedding aniv date instead of her B'day. she was umming and arrring and the $1m was in the case for her B'day....... Chin up love! Her husband's face when he saw it was a picture.

another difference is here the cases are held by some rather nice pieces of eye candy instead of other contestants! makes it a little more enjoyable!
Old 06 April 2006, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RoShamBo
Yep its good telly but the entire game is based on luck, perhaps someone should point that out to the contestants....all that "positive energy" & holding hands to influence whats in the boxes aint gonna have any effect at all on the outcome. Plus when Noel Edmunds says "you have played this game so well"...what.....taken random guesses at the boxes & been lucky...hardly skill is it.
Without that, it's hardly going to make for compelling viewing, is it?
Old 06 April 2006, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by speye91
What would you have done ?
I would have turned off the TV in order to avoid brain rot.
Old 06 April 2006, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rags
Let me tell you this show is funny as **** here in yankieland.

The yanks are leaning the other way, and not losing their bottle, instead going for it.

top prize here is $1M, last week a couple of times there were 4 cases left with 1 big number and 3 mickey mouse figures. Both times they went for it and got f**Ked.

but have to say fair play for them going for it.

funniest one i've seen though was a woman who picked her wedding aniv date instead of her B'day. she was umming and arrring and the $1m was in the case for her B'day....... Chin up love! Her husband's face when he saw it was a picture.

another difference is here the cases are held by some rather nice pieces of eye candy instead of other contestants! makes it a little more enjoyable!
Spot on! I wasn't too bothered about catching this show, it's very well hyped, but I saw it last night, and the girls holding the boxes are all stacked incredibly well in general revealing cocktail dresses, so now have it on my TiVO list!

I'm of the opinion that you only have one chance, so why not go all out for it! Fair play to them!!!

The American dream, if you can't win it, you can probably borrow it!
Old 06 April 2006, 06:15 PM
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It's a load of cheesy crap IMHO.
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Originally Posted by nathanb
speye91.........for 53,000 pounds.........DEAL OR NO DEAL????
after tonights show, 2 boxes left 50k and 100k i would ov went no deal it is only 3 k difference


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Old 07 April 2006, 07:44 AM
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They have the same thing on French TV (called "Take it or Leave it") and the totty is incredible. As above, total brain rot but something to put on in he background whilst having an aperitif of an evening. Never seen a show like it for stunning contestants!
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Originally Posted by speye91
What would you have done ?
Punched Noel 'tidy beard' Edmonds in the face, can't stand the w@nker and his show is utter tosh as well
Old 07 April 2006, 09:01 AM
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must admit, i love it when they crash and burn

passes the time at work
Old 07 April 2006, 09:47 AM
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its all based on luck , but got me hooked since day 1.......sad yea i know
Whilst the selection of boxes and the order in which the prizes are lost is the 'luck' element the game actually involves a fair degree of maths skill which, in the episodes I've watched, I've not really seen applied by contestants. Once you've narrowed down to a handful of boxes left you can more easily calculate the probability of you killing one of/or the last remaining large prize with your next guess. Using that information you can calculate if the effective 'odds' you are being laid by opening another box is better or worse than the financial deal you are being offered there and then not to continue.

For example if you have 4 boxes remaining with a £100,000 prize and three prizes under £1000 then we can say that you are 3:1 to not kill your prize on the next guess. Avoiding that outcome would take you much closer to the money and get you a favourable deal. If the bank offered you £15,000 now you might think of taking it given 3 prizes are useless to you and only one is any good but I wouldn't. You are being offered 15% of the large prize but only have a 25% chance of removing it from the game on your next guess. I would say there are reasonable implied odds that it would be financially better to take a guess and re-assess any deal they give you after that as with a 2:1 chance of the £100,000 you'll probably get a better deal from Edmonds
Old 07 April 2006, 10:17 AM
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The problem here is that they have to take weeks off work to come on the show.

As a result you're left with pensioners, students, self employed and unemployed people.

These people dont take risks because they have no money. £5k - £10k is decent money for them.

Things would be much more interesting if they actually got people who could afford not to have that sort of money.
Old 07 April 2006, 10:45 AM
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I keep reading about this show and yesterday actually remembered to watch it for the first time to see what all the hype was about. I lasted about 15 minutes before losing the will to live. It seemed so slow and dragged out and the woman on it at the time was really annoying. Does it get any better after the first 15 minutes?
Old 07 April 2006, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
For example if you have 4 boxes remaining with a £100,000 prize and three prizes under £1000 then we can say that you are 3:1 to not kill your prize on the next guess. Avoiding that outcome would take you much closer to the money and get you a favourable deal. If the bank offered you £15,000 now you might think of taking it given 3 prizes are useless to you and only one is any good but I wouldn't. You are being offered 15% of the large prize but only have a 25% chance of removing it from the game on your next guess. I would say there are reasonable implied odds that it would be financially better to take a guess and re-assess any deal they give you after that as with a 2:1 chance of the £100,000 you'll probably get a better deal from Edmonds
David Sklansky's in da house With no chance to repeat the game the odds dont really matter with regards to "finacially better"...you are either lucky or not that one time you play it!
Old 07 April 2006, 04:04 PM
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With no chance to repeat the game the odds dont really matter with regards to "finacially better"...you are either lucky or not that one time you play it!
Gamblers false logic my friend. If you apply that rule you'd nip down to your local casino and stick your life savings and the kids uni accounts on two of the three thirds. You're a favourite to win (being over 50%) and if you walk away there and then you are sorted. The fact the game is a long run dog doesn't appear to matter when in fact it actually does. I agree you'll not get on the show again and therefore there is no repeat chance but if in the game of life you always seek a favourable edge you'll be better off overall. That was kind of my point.
Old 07 April 2006, 04:06 PM
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By the way I saw an episode of this once when some women was down to around 10 boxes and still had loads of massive prizes left. She was getting excellent deals but kept gambling (as she was probably correct to do so). Every guess killed a big prize and she eventually ended up taking home £5. It was painful but also hillarous to watch
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Originally Posted by rossyboy
These people dont take risks because they have no money. £5k - £10k is decent money for them.

Things would be much more interesting if they actually got people who could afford not to have that sort of money.
But surely that's almost the only good point of the show. Seeing people who say at the start that £10k would change their lives carrying on after an offer of £11K because the £100k is still dangling there - only to end up with 50p.

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Seeing Richard Branson sat there guessing 20 boxes and ******* off with 50p or £250,000 isn't going to entertain anyone .
Old 07 April 2006, 04:14 PM
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The girl the other night had the perfect board to go to the end

£75,000
£100,000
and the £250,000

The banker must have been worried.

I find it hard to undertand why sometimes the banker offer near to half the high end figure when the remaining numbers are the oposite extreams ie

£0-50p and £100,000 and then offers somthing like £45,000

Personaly I would only offer a small amount ?

Wish for Banker .....
Old 07 April 2006, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
Whilst the selection of boxes and the order in which the prizes are lost is the 'luck' element the game actually involves a fair degree of maths skill which, in the episodes I've watched, I've not really seen applied by contestants. Once you've narrowed down to a handful of boxes left you can more easily calculate the probability of you killing one of/or the last remaining large prize with your next guess. Using that information you can calculate if the effective 'odds' you are being laid by opening another box is better or worse than the financial deal you are being offered there and then not to continue.

For example if you have 4 boxes remaining with a £100,000 prize and three prizes under £1000 then we can say that you are 3:1 to not kill your prize on the next guess. Avoiding that outcome would take you much closer to the money and get you a favourable deal. If the bank offered you £15,000 now you might think of taking it given 3 prizes are useless to you and only one is any good but I wouldn't. You are being offered 15% of the large prize but only have a 25% chance of removing it from the game on your next guess. I would say there are reasonable implied odds that it would be financially better to take a guess and re-assess any deal they give you after that as with a 2:1 chance of the £100,000 you'll probably get a better deal from Edmonds
This man plays poker.
Old 07 April 2006, 04:27 PM
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I find it hard to undertand why sometimes the banker offer near to half the high end figure when the remaining numbers are the oposite extreams ie

£0-50p and £100,000 and then offers somthing like £45,000
If my reading of you statement is correct then their are two boxes remaining. One is worth £100,000 and the other £0.50 or less (which for maths reasons we'll regard as zero). That being the case the banker has a 50:50 chance of paying nothing and the same of paying £100,000k. By offering £45,000 his expected value is £5,000. That is to say over the long run he will profit £5,000 every time that scenario is played out. It's like you agreeing to coin flips with me and everytime you win I give you £45k but everytime I win you give me £55k - I'll get rich very quick.

If there are three boxes - two of which are of nominal value - then the offer of £45,000 is outstanding and you should take the money and run.
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This man plays poker.
How could you tell?
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lol....i' aware how odds work (which is why i only work 3 days a week and play poker the rest!

my point was that these are folks on a one game show so they are either going to leave the show lucky or unlucky, they dont care about the maths, they are taking a chance which has more to do with their personal wealth than the odds.....whereas i have never left a poker game lucky or unlucky.....i just leave, the odds are the odds.

what next the monty hall riddle

by the way..deal or no deal has been all over the poker forums for a while if you want to get really geeky with the maths!
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I know that you know - I'm just arguing with you
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
I know that you know - I'm just arguing with you

where's the +EV in that
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It's a -EV decision but part of my overall scoobynetting strategy and therefore of positive benefit
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"overall scoobynetting strategy "

too much thought gone into it i think


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