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Old 03 April 2006, 07:42 PM
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any teachers or people work in education i need help with holiday dilema
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I'm a Chair of Governors for my Local Primary School

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Old 03 April 2006, 07:46 PM
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my dilema is i have had my holiday booked since october 05 and me and my family are due to fly on the 11/05/06 now today the school have sent home a note saying my childrens sats are set for the whole month of may and we are not to take holidays. please not they are only key skills level one.
so do i ask for permision from the school to take them get refused and take them anyway
or
keep it quiet take them and say they were ill under a sunbed when i get back

please help
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if its about taking the kids out of school for a holiday just do it, they have these so called training (inset day, more like lets have aday off)when ever they want,when they can be done in the holidays(as they get enough)

rant over lol
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ask them if its not a problem to take them when you get back
Old 03 April 2006, 07:57 PM
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I beleive its £50 each child,each occasion fixed penalty type of fine if the school don't agree..... and to be fair they won't at sats time!, But don't contest it, woman around her did and got a heavy fine £500+ if i remember right,If you have a couple of kids pay the fine and tell the head teacher to stuff himself! lol
You could always do the old sickie trick..... kids are stressed out by the work load, they need a holiday.......

Hope this helps a little
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cheers for the reply all help appreciated
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What are SATs? Another Americanism!! we are closer to becoming the 51st than we all think
Old 03 April 2006, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by carlos-sti
my dilema is i have had my holiday booked since october 05 and me and my family are due to fly on the 11/05/06 now today the school have sent home a note saying my childrens sats are set for the whole month of may and we are not to take holidays. please not they are only key skills level one.
so do i ask for permision from the school to take them get refused and take them anyway
or
keep it quiet take them and say they were ill under a sunbed when i get back

please help
SATS are very important part of the Schools monitering systems for both pupil and the Schools itself

I would be surprised if the Head Teacher gave permission especially if they are bright

However you can only ask
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Originally Posted by scooby-si
if its about taking the kids out of school for a holiday just do it, they have these so called training (inset day, more like lets have aday off)when ever they want,when they can be done in the holidays(as they get enough)

rant over lol
Sorry Si a very uneducated response. I spent the last inset day covering the updated guidlines on inclusive education

Inset days have to be granted and justified by the Chair of Governors
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Originally Posted by N*UFO
I beleive its £50 each child,each occasion fixed penalty type of fine if the school don't agree..... and to be fair they won't at sats time!, But don't contest it, woman around her did and got a heavy fine £500+ if i remember right,If you have a couple of kids pay the fine and tell the head teacher to stuff himself! lol
You could always do the old sickie trick..... kids are stressed out by the work load, they need a holiday.......

Hope this helps a little
Its a £100

but few Schools actually try and inforce this

Labour propaganda
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
What are SATs? Another Americanism!! we are closer to becoming the 51st than we all think
Standard Attainment Test

yes used by the septic's for years
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Originally Posted by scooby-si
ask them if its not a problem to take them when you get back
I am affraid the dates are set and this is not possible
Old 03 April 2006, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by scooby-si
if its about taking the kids out of school for a holiday just do it, they have these so called training (inset day, more like lets have aday off)when ever they want,when they can be done in the holidays(as they get enough)

rant over lol
Yes i agree. Un-educated response.
I spent the last INSET day refrshing my first aid certificate so i can save your or any other childs life if needed. Shame you think thats pointless...
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but why do they need to put the whole month aside and why did they not inform me in september they leave it until a few weeks before and my holiday has been booked for over 6 months so i cannot cancel and i refuse to lose almost 2 grand
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so do i tell them or not
Old 03 April 2006, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by carlos-sti
but why do they need to put the whole month
Because it is important to both Child and School

Originally Posted by carlos-sti
why did they not inform me in september they leave it until a few weeks before
This period has been cast in stone for years PERHAPS you should have known!! but then I have been a Governor since my kids first started school 8 years and I am being unfair


Originally Posted by carlos-sti
my holiday has been booked for over 6 months so i cannot cancel and i refuse to lose almost 2 grand
I fully understand and sympathise
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Originally Posted by carlos-sti
so do i tell them or not
Oh yes even if they decline permission they must know

otherwise the education welfare officer will be informed
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Of course putting a good presentation to the Head will help

Explaning what positives your child will get from the holiday from both an educational and personal perspective

Is always a winner
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Sorry Si a very uneducated response. I spent the last inset day covering the updated guidlines on inclusive education

Inset days have to be granted and justified by the Chair of Governors

phil why not do these days in the holidays?? not in school time
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Phil,


You are a post ***** ...... A lot of that above, could have gone in one post



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Because teachers pay and conditions deem these as their holidays

Would you want to work during your holiday?


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Originally Posted by *Nate*
Phil,


You are a post ***** ...... A lot of that above, could have gone in one post



Nate.
bugger back of to Essex
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Originally Posted by phil_stephens
Because teachers pay and conditions deem these as their holidays

Would you want to work during your holiday?


but by doing this my children are missing out on school learning time,so does this mean i can fine the school £50 for each child,as this is what i get fined if i take my child out of school in term time

how many holidays do teachers get? is it out of 1yr you get something like 101 days holiday, so you wouldnt give up 3 or 4 days to do inset days + your on full pay,and why do you have inset days they never had them when i was at school,and the jobs made easer now with teaching assistants

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Why book a holiday when your kids are supposed to be in school, or are they off then but have to go in for the SATs or something

As for inset etc, I can personally gaurantee that its far from "just a day off"
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Originally Posted by scooby-si
but by doing this my children are missing out on school learning time,so does this mean i can fine the school £50 for each child,as this is what i get if i that my child out of school
LOL

Actually the government sets minimum days that you child must be taught that allows for 4 inset days throughout the school year

As I said earlier those inset days have to be justified and agreed with the Chair of Governors
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the obvious reason for booking whilst in school is the cost (much cheaper) and when i booked it i did original think it was the holidays i did not know it was there sats until today
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Why book a holiday when your kids are supposed to be in school, or are they off then but have to go in for the SATs or something

As for inset etc, I can personally gaurantee that its far from "just a day off"
I think as his child is in Key Stage one he may not have been aware of the SAT's

I am sure he didn't book it on purpose

Please note that I took my kids out of school [the one that I am Chair of ] every year but right at the end of the summer term making sure I got back for the last week as I think this is important. However now they have gone up to Senior School I have booked our Holidays in the holiday period
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Originally Posted by scooby-si
if its about taking the kids out of school for a holiday just do it, they have these so called training (inset day, more like lets have aday off)when ever they want,when they can be done in the holidays(as they get enough)

rant over lol
What a dim person.Inset days are not so called.the are fact and happen and are necessary because teaching is a profession dealing with human beings ,not a factory making things.Human knowledge about human beings is developing all the time and teachers need to be kept up to date with these developments.Obviously we dont sit on our fat ***** all day on computers surfing and displaying our ignorance to all and sundry so we have to receive our training with no pupils present. By the way, the few days training we get were taken off our holidays originally.The level of the intellect you display shows,if anything,teachers need more inset.


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