warrenm2

Not content with screwing things up big time for adults, the current "Government" now screw things up for childrens dental care!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...092584,00.html

Oh no, I tell a lie - they're equal opportunity cretins, they target the elderly as well!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...734679,00.html

And lastly the stunning bit of spin that says its more efficient to treat you at home than in a hospital. Newspeak has truely arrived!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...094527,00.html

MattW

My children have lost their NHS dentist

Paul3446

I'm sure PS Lewis will be able to tell us that this is really a good thing. Although even he seems to duck the dentist questions!

Petem95

Just phone them up and say youre an illegal immigrant - that should get them straight to the front of the queue, and the bill picked up by the taxpayer

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

What's and NHS dentist??? not seen one of them in about 25 years!

Slartibartfast

You've never had it so good.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

The cracks are truly beginning to show. Brown wants Blair's job asap, as his economy is starting to show cracks too, and if (when) that goes **** up, where's HIS credentials to be next leader? Scottish pension thieving git!

Alcazar

Wish

iTrader: (2)

And the sad thing is its only going to get worse ......
I am able to see the NHS from the other side, and Dentists is the least of your worries ........

Paul3446

There's a report out today that the average household has paid an extra £9,000 in tax since labour came to power. That's about a £1,000 a year on average. What a flippin' bargain. If I'd paid £9,000 less I wouldn't mind the country falling apart!

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

And what have they done with it, apart from bomb Afghanistan and Iraq?

Alcazar

Leslie

The same has happened at both the dentists in my town as well. No more NHS service for children any more as well as adults now.

PSL has not got an answer of course as to why his hero has binned yet another of his promises.

Les

_Meridian_

iTrader: (1)

Did you actually read your own link? I'll quote:

Now read that second paragraph again. The only connection this has to do with the government is that they didn't pay the dentists a big enough bribe to stay in the NHS. For those SNers with short memories (most of the anti-Labour ones) I'll remind you that this happened a few years ago, under the command (?) of one J. Major. You might remember him - he was a Tory. Which is why there was a shortage of NHS dentists in the first place.


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warrenm2

Nicely put Meridian - good to see you ignore the facts as usual. TB promise in 1999? Why do you think dentists are withdrawing from the NHS? Because they're all Tories? Dont be a fool, its because they are being stitched up by the Government. If your employer turned round to you and said "we want you to work more hours, fill in more forms, accept more control over how you do your job for no extra money", are you seriously telling me you'd say yes please? Dont be so naive. I dont agree with the NHS anyway so the sooner it collapses and we can get some proper health provision in this country the better. Just applying Band Aids to the creaking structure is prolonging the agony and suffering.

Doctors, once long time supports are saying now enough is enough. The Government keeps saying, we just have to throw more money at the problem. What kind of fools do they take us for? Good to see the NHS IT strategy is on track though. What's that? It's not? Its going wildly over budget (£50bn at the last count) with no end in sight? I cant believe it! TB and GB said it would be ok! PAH! Hospitals laying off nurses because they cant afford to do stay open? PAH! Standards of care falling (see true state of NHS post) PAH! How can any sane person defend this situation? And then make some specious arguement about the Tories in the early 90s. Pathetic

The Zohan

If you do a bit more research you will uncover the facts:To meet the governments targets (and targets is all this government gives a toss about) dentists will have to see 60-80 patients per day and or work 13 hours a day to do so. Most do not want to do this as they can see less private patients and just work 8 ish hours a day to earn the same money.
They are not after lots more money but can earn the same dosh for less patients and a lot less hours.

The tories screwed up no doubt - Labour just compouned things rather than try to make things better!

Now tell me where the govenrmnet incentive is to stay in the NHS?

BTW i am not a dentist!

Luan Pra bang

The problem can be easily fixed by convincing dentists that they are not really worth the 100k plus salaries they think they deserve. Get a load of dentists coming in from other EU countries will soon fix the problem and they will run back to the NHS as fast as possible.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Muahahahahahaha!

WHERE are these trained dentists coming from? To work for NHS rates? I think NOT

It takes a dentist best part of 5 years to train in the UK, and they need bloody amazing grades even to get in. So why SHOULDN'T they get £100K?

Why does someone always turn these sort of threads into "The Tories wouldn't do any better/caused the mess in the first place?"

WHO GIVES A FLYING F*CK???????????

The point is, there's a problem and Billy and Co don't seem to be able to fix it

Alcazar

Luan Pra bang

Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic now; in a few years Romania Turkey Macedonia etc. The quality of health care is a lot better in some eastern countries than you might think and the standard of education and work ethic is so far ahead of ours its shocking.

Luan Pra bang

Market rates should determine what someone is worth. Clearly Dentists are worth what they get paid now. In ten years they and alot of other people might get a few surprises.

Paul3446

Classic new labour! Blame the tories for everything. That might have worked for the first couple of years, but they've been in power for 9 years now!

That's almost as long as Maggie was in and I know the country was a better place to live when she left than it is now!