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20 March 2006, 08:32 AM
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Car sharing lanes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4822808.stm
These pis$ me off, its not like everyone has a next-door-neighbour who works where they do is it? Governments seem to fail to realise this
Also according to the BBC, this new car sharing lane on the M62 will cut rush-hour journeys by eight minutes on average, Single-occupant vehicles would not suffer from additional delays and should also benefit from improved journey times ????!!!
WTF?! How are single occupant cars journey times going to not be affected?!!! There'll be one less lane available which will have the odd car-sharing car in it, and the rest will be choc.
I have a car sharing lane on a duel-carraigeway near me and also is does it cause massive traffic congestion, and congestion spills into nearby villages as traffic queues become massive
These pis$ me off, its not like everyone has a next-door-neighbour who works where they do is it? Governments seem to fail to realise this
Also according to the BBC, this new car sharing lane on the M62 will cut rush-hour journeys by eight minutes on average, Single-occupant vehicles would not suffer from additional delays and should also benefit from improved journey times ????!!!
WTF?! How are single occupant cars journey times going to not be affected?!!! There'll be one less lane available which will have the odd car-sharing car in it, and the rest will be choc.
I have a car sharing lane on a duel-carraigeway near me and also is does it cause massive traffic congestion, and congestion spills into nearby villages as traffic queues become massive
20 March 2006, 08:40 AM
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How are single occupant cars journey times going to not be affected?!!! There'll be one less lane available which will have the odd car-sharing car in it, and the rest will be choc.
20 March 2006, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by corradoboy
The way I understood it on the news this morning was that the road is to be widened giving an extra lane for the use of multiple occupancy vehicles. Obviously this will slightly reduce volume on the 3 remaining lanes. I do hope that it will be enforced only at peak times (6-9.30 & 4-6.30) though.
Car sharing lanes near me are a disaster, but I think theyre here to stay
20 March 2006, 09:05 AM
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Ah well this is how I see it working, there will be loads more congestion during the building of the extra lane, Everyone will get annoyed, the extra lane will be finished and be used by the few that can atually car share to work (not that many I imagine), and everyone will think that due to the lack of road work the traffic is moving faster and it will be hailed a sucess !
Cynical I know but willing to put money on how this will happen !
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Cynical I know but willing to put money on how this will happen !
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20 March 2006, 09:17 AM
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1. The theory is that some of the people driving single occupancy vehicles (sov) will club together to use the car sharing lane, thus reducing the total number of vehicles and hence journey times in the multi-occupancy lanes. They must make the sov lane more attractive though or else the scheme will be shown to have failed. 50mph limit except in that lane anyone?
2. Enforcement. Particularly if lane 3 (4?) is the sov lane.
3. Safety implications. If lane 3 (4?) is the sov lane you will have slow vans with two occupants crossing the other lanes then travelling at 60mph in the sov lane, having to be undertaken by faster vehicles. Conversely if lane 1 is the sov lane then most traffic joining or leaving the motorway will have to cross this lane. Imagine if the multi occupancy lanes are congested and you have to cross a clear sov lane to reach them and merge. Can you be fined if you do say 100m before merging. Can see it being a safety nightmare, especially considering the average competency displayed in general motorway driving.
2. Enforcement. Particularly if lane 3 (4?) is the sov lane.
3. Safety implications. If lane 3 (4?) is the sov lane you will have slow vans with two occupants crossing the other lanes then travelling at 60mph in the sov lane, having to be undertaken by faster vehicles. Conversely if lane 1 is the sov lane then most traffic joining or leaving the motorway will have to cross this lane. Imagine if the multi occupancy lanes are congested and you have to cross a clear sov lane to reach them and merge. Can you be fined if you do say 100m before merging. Can see it being a safety nightmare, especially considering the average competency displayed in general motorway driving.
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20 March 2006, 09:25 AM
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Well I'll be able to use it if I can find someone who wants to travel from Cowling, N. Yorks to Stanstead Abbotts, Herts on a regular basis but at random times of day and week. Shouldn't be too difficult to find someone I reckon, whaddaya think? 
20 March 2006, 09:38 AM
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Car sharing does have its upsides.
It means you stick rigidly to your work hours on the main, with a few exceptions if necessary. Far better for your work/life balance. Noticed this in those who do it here....they HAVE to leave at 5pm to catch their carshare, and to be fair, they still get the work done.
Also, most are NOT neighbours. Some drive to a more central point, and then carshare from there. Makes sense...
...and for some, it is saving ££££££££££'s per week - especially with a Scooby
Don't knock it till you've tried it. Usual ignorant and selfish attitudes on here
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It means you stick rigidly to your work hours on the main, with a few exceptions if necessary. Far better for your work/life balance. Noticed this in those who do it here....they HAVE to leave at 5pm to catch their carshare, and to be fair, they still get the work done.
Also, most are NOT neighbours. Some drive to a more central point, and then carshare from there. Makes sense...
...and for some, it is saving ££££££££££'s per week - especially with a Scooby
Don't knock it till you've tried it. Usual ignorant and selfish attitudes on here
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20 March 2006, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by scoobychick
Well I'll be able to use it if I can find someone who wants to travel from Cowling, N. Yorks to Stanstead Abbotts, Herts on a regular basis but at random times of day and week. Shouldn't be too difficult to find someone I reckon, whaddaya think?
20 March 2006, 09:51 AM
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I dont think it is selfish or ignorant.
I heard the article as being converting one of the existing 3 lanes
- therefore 2 lanes for cars with one occupant and 1 for multiple occupants.
Then there will be millions spent enforcing this, with special cameras or extra police to make sure that it is enforced. If that money was spent on improving the roads and road surfaces orr on giving Police the time, resources to catch proper criminals it would go a very long way. Also once these cameras are in place, whats to say that they dont have additional revenue raising purposes for the Govmnt????
It is a bad idea, period.
Agree with the work hours side of things but most people dont have a person they can share with or work in an office with fixed hours. Life is more flexible than that these days....
Like I said - an opportunity to make life sized replicas passengers
I heard the article as being converting one of the existing 3 lanes
- therefore 2 lanes for cars with one occupant and 1 for multiple occupants.Then there will be millions spent enforcing this, with special cameras or extra police to make sure that it is enforced. If that money was spent on improving the roads and road surfaces orr on giving Police the time, resources to catch proper criminals it would go a very long way. Also once these cameras are in place, whats to say that they dont have additional revenue raising purposes for the Govmnt????
It is a bad idea, period.
Agree with the work hours side of things but most people dont have a person they can share with or work in an office with fixed hours. Life is more flexible than that these days....
Like I said - an opportunity to make life sized replicas passengers
20 March 2006, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dynamix
IAgree with the work hours side of things but most people dont have a person they can share with or work in an office with fixed hours. Life is more flexible than that these days....
Most people DO have a person they can share with - they just don't want the inconvience and are just too darn lazy
Like I said - an opportunity to make life sized replicas passengers
20 March 2006, 10:06 AM
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Sorry - solution for that already! The upcoming car sharing at the Forth Bridge has detectors for this
Flexible hours dont mean that everyone there can work the same flexible hours though.
20 March 2006, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by dynamix
Flexible hours dont mean that everyone there can work the same flexible hours though.
20 March 2006, 10:12 AM
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Have to admit that it has been a few years since I worked for anyone other than myself but isnt this just a case of common sense anyway - car sharing is cheaper - why do we need more enforcement, waste of public money and god knows what else to make us do this?
20 March 2006, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dynamix
Have to admit that it has been a few years since I worked for anyone other than myself but isnt this just a case of common sense anyway - car sharing is cheaper - why do we need more enforcement, waste of public money and god knows what else to make us do this?
20 March 2006, 10:20 AM
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Theres already a big car share scheme that I know of, its called a coach or a train.
This M1 lane construction thats going to last for a good few years will be a waste of time IMHO. One piddly lane for car sharers isnt going to make much difference. Why not sling up 2 more lanes each way and be done with it. The M1 was built over 40 years ago with 3 lanes and how much traffic was there then? So now with the many thousands of cars that use it today we're still restricted to 3 lanes each way.
The amount of tax motorists pay we should have the best road infrastructure in the world, do we? PMSL
This M1 lane construction thats going to last for a good few years will be a waste of time IMHO. One piddly lane for car sharers isnt going to make much difference. Why not sling up 2 more lanes each way and be done with it. The M1 was built over 40 years ago with 3 lanes and how much traffic was there then? So now with the many thousands of cars that use it today we're still restricted to 3 lanes each way.
The amount of tax motorists pay we should have the best road infrastructure in the world, do we? PMSL
20 March 2006, 10:21 AM
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The majority of the UK workforce work hours that can be adapted to car sharing very easily. Period.
And if you have a young kid like me (not yet 2 ) then working *flexible* hours means that you're flexible about when you leave the house due to completely unforeseen issues with laddie - 'sorry mr carshare person but I'll be 20 mins late to pick you up at that freezing meeting point we use because my kids having a bad morning ...' I don't think so ....
This is just another attempt by central gov. to make us think they are addressing the issues whilst doing bog-all about it in reality and adding 'compliance' systems that get *them* more control over us proles .... If they were serious about congestion they would a) get rid of ALL bus lanes and (on-road) cycle lanes b) spend more money on 'tacticla'/local hot-spots c) spend more money full stop d) alter traffic lights to cut congestion especially in urban areas (it CAN be done without comprimising safety!!!) e) build houses/businesses in places other thahn the most congested part of the UK f) etc etc
Oh, but that would cost money and not get them any more control over us .... that's a bad idea then ....
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20 March 2006, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
Never worked for a company yet where this is true (IT in the SE for the last 20+ years) so that's b*llux ......
Is it because MOST of the people are going to work at the same time perchance?
And if you have a young kid like me (not yet 2 ) then working *flexible* hours means that you're flexible about when you leave the house due to completely unforeseen issues with laddie - 'sorry mr carshare person but I'll be 20 mins late to pick you up at that freezing meeting point we use because my kids having a bad morning ...' I don't think so ....
Maybe you're just incapable
20 March 2006, 10:45 AM
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So if it was bollox, then why do we have such concentrated rush hours? Is it because MOST of the people are going to work at the same time perchance?
Is it because MOST of the people are going to work at the same time perchance?
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S'funny, cos most of the people car sharing here ARE the ones with young kids. Maybe you're just incapable
Maybe you're just incapable But I still stick by the point above about IT in the SE. In a previous life I had a couple of lodgers who worked at the same company. The amount of times we could share a car to work was about once every 3 weeks. As we had differeing pre-sales type roles and had no idea if we would get called away during the day etc etc.Not saying the idea of car sharing is a load of tosh - just that *some* people *may* be able to share and they should where it makes sense for them. BUT there should not be dedicated car sharing lanes or such as we ALL pay for the damn roads!
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20 March 2006, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
But from different places to go to different places - in the main. Car sharing will have minimal impact on congestion.
People generally live in surburbia (both cities and commuter towns) and work in large congregated areas of offices. There is NO way there are not people driving to/from similar places en masse. Just needs co-ordination.
Refund road tax to car sharers, and you'd soon see people clubbing together
20 March 2006, 11:18 AM
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As already mentioned, there are dedicated car sharing services. See your local train/coach station for details
20 March 2006, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Also, most are NOT neighbours. Some drive to a more central point, and then carshare from there. Makes sense...
...and for some, it is saving ££££££££££'s per week - especially with a Scooby
Don't knock it till you've tried it. Usual ignorant and selfish attitudes on here
...and for some, it is saving ££££££££££'s per week - especially with a Scooby
Don't knock it till you've tried it. Usual ignorant and selfish attitudes on here
Also the point is the fuel saving is enough of an incentive to car share, meaning the incentive of a car-sharing lane ISNT required.
20 March 2006, 11:48 AM
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**** me !!!
I work around the country, Leeds, Manchester, Newcastle, London, Rickmansworth etc etc so I am going to be penalised because I haven’t got a passenger.
Not everyone works 5 mins from home and has various neighbours who can car share.
I have yet to find a band of people who start and finish work at the same time as me and in the various locations.
What am I supposed to do?? Pick up some random stranger??
The one on the M62 will be a right laugh as well, its FUBAR any way.
Sure all those nice lorry drivers are going to give up the crawler lane ……. I don’t think so.
What constitutes a passenger? Have we had primary legislation on it ?
Could be interesting to see some of the offerings !!
I work around the country, Leeds, Manchester, Newcastle, London, Rickmansworth etc etc so I am going to be penalised because I haven’t got a passenger.
Not everyone works 5 mins from home and has various neighbours who can car share.
I have yet to find a band of people who start and finish work at the same time as me and in the various locations.
What am I supposed to do?? Pick up some random stranger??
The one on the M62 will be a right laugh as well, its FUBAR any way.
Sure all those nice lorry drivers are going to give up the crawler lane ……. I don’t think so.
What constitutes a passenger? Have we had primary legislation on it ?
Could be interesting to see some of the offerings !!
20 March 2006, 11:57 AM
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Take away a lane for the general population, give it to a minority and hey presto.
In the case of the M62 4 lanes of traffic congestion stuffed in to 3 makes good sense eh !
In the case of the M62 4 lanes of traffic congestion stuffed in to 3 makes good sense eh !
20 March 2006, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
As already mentioned, there are dedicated car sharing services. See your local train/coach station for details
If they do lane sharing or not I'll still drive......it quicker, cheaper, and easier.