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Latest Government EviroMENTAL Scare Tactics...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4660938.stm
Perpetuating the lie of 'global warming'
Clearly just more piffle and propaganda to back up the state move toward carbon control and punative taxation for all. And then...
...finally removes any credability this document might ever have had.
Perpetuating the lie of 'global warming'
The report, published by the UK government...
In the report's foreword, UK Prime Minister Tony Blair writes that "it is now plain that the emission of greenhouse gases... is causing global warming at a rate that is unsustainable."
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'Global warming' is a poor term; but 'climate change' is happening. Supply of oil will outstrip demand within 30 years. Burying our heads in the sand will not help. I was told all that in a lecture by a professor who works for Shell.
I also did a literature review (for uni) on future transport fuels and am confident those statements are true.
I also did a literature review (for uni) on future transport fuels and am confident those statements are true.
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But when at least one country, China in this case, is bringing online a coal fired power station at the rate of one a week; unless we all pitch in and develop a means of cleaning them up, then we may as well go down the pub and get pi55ed.
As for the UK, when the government starts to set rules and regulations to promote energy efficient houses for example, then I know they really do care. But at the moment, they and everybody else in the world, who could make a difference is just paying lip service.
As for the UK, when the government starts to set rules and regulations to promote energy efficient houses for example, then I know they really do care. But at the moment, they and everybody else in the world, who could make a difference is just paying lip service.
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"Climate change" has always happened.
Imagine 10,000 years ago during the Ice Age a couple of environmentally aware peasants having a conversation.
"We've got too many cows. All their farting is causing a hole in the ozone layer."
"So what?"
"Well, it's global warning, innit?"
"Wot's that then?"
"Well, it's like all this ice is going to melt and the sea's gonna rise. Mark my words, but one day England'll be cut off from France!"
"Naaahhh!"
Imagine 10,000 years ago during the Ice Age a couple of environmentally aware peasants having a conversation.
"We've got too many cows. All their farting is causing a hole in the ozone layer."
"So what?"
"Well, it's global warning, innit?"
"Wot's that then?"
"Well, it's like all this ice is going to melt and the sea's gonna rise. Mark my words, but one day England'll be cut off from France!"
"Naaahhh!"
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
As for the UK, when the government starts to set rules and regulations to promote energy efficient houses for example, then I know they really do care. But at the moment, they and everybody else in the world, who could make a difference is just paying lip service.
*Global warming* as portrayed by *them* is just another way for them to gain more control. It *may* be happening (and if you look at evidence other than that supplied by the BBC you will see just as much which states it's not happening) but if it is it isn'y man that's causing it. When the clouds clear try looking up in the sky during the day. There's a big yellow HOT object up there called the SUN ....
Wake up before it's too late!
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Originally Posted by alcazar
And today: the UK Met Ofiice announces this is already the COLDEST winter for 10 years, with even colder to come before it ends
Global warming? My firm but pliant.
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Global warming? My firm but pliant.
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We certainly have had a pretty mild winder so far down here in Swindon...
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I wonder how they work that out? Our garden pond hasn't frozen over at all this winter, yet a couple of years ago it was frozen every day for weeks. I think we've only had a couple of days below freezing so far.
We certainly have had a pretty mild winder so far down here in Swindon...
We certainly have had a pretty mild winder so far down here in Swindon...
They don't give e toss for anywhere else, it's not even a "White Christmas" unless it snows in fekkin London
As far as climate change goes, can anyone else explain why, 30 years or so ago, the same scientists were predicting the next ice-age? Especially since THEN we had LOADS of little coal fired power stations, that were very inefficient? And hardly anyone had home insulation? And cars and other vehuicles were inefficient too?
Couldn't be owt to do with the sun, and it's cycles then? Like it's going through a period of intense activity now, and wasn't then??
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Ice Ages are caused by periodic oscillations of the Earth's orbit. Nowt to do with carbon emissions. The Earth's climate is in a constant state of flux. Change has never been, as Blair and his team of 'scientists' would have you believe, caused by man's activities.
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It fears the Greenland ice sheet is likely to melt, leading sea levels to rise by 7m (23ft) over 1,000 years.
The poorest countries will be most vulnerable to these effects, it adds
The poorest countries will be most vulnerable to these effects, it adds
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Nobody is denying that there are natural climate change cycles. The question is if man's activities might be contributing to a change in the natural cycle. Denial is not plausible, big or clever.
I don't have any magic answers about climate change, but don't believe that excess pollution is good for the planet. Reasonable initiatives to reduce the quantity of pollutants e.g. Kyoto should be supported and not ignored.
So we should pollute as much as we like because it just doesn't make a difference then?
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I don't have any magic answers about climate change, but don't believe that excess pollution is good for the planet. Reasonable initiatives to reduce the quantity of pollutants e.g. Kyoto should be supported and not ignored.
So we should pollute as much as we like because it just doesn't make a difference then?
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Nobody is denying that there are natural climate change cycles. The question is if man's activities might be contributing to a change in the natural cycle. Denial is not plausible, big or clever.
Yes, we should all do our bit if we want to, however it's not gonna change things that much. The world aint gonna collapse unless it wants to. Ice ages etc. will come around again which isn't caused by pollution.
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Originally Posted by scoobyster
'Global warming' is a poor term; but 'climate change' is happening. Supply of oil will outstrip demand within 30 years. Burying our heads in the sand will not help. I was told all that in a lecture by a professor who works for Shell.
I also did a literature review (for uni) on future transport fuels and am confident those statements are true.
I also did a literature review (for uni) on future transport fuels and am confident those statements are true.
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What everyone appears to be missing is not that the climate has changed in the past (not denying that), but that the pace of change is now increasing rapidly. As for us only contributing slightly, there's plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise. e.g. Atmospheric carbon dioxide at the start of the Industrial Revolution was about 290ppm (parts per million). By 2000, it had risen to around 360ppm, with around 80% of that change happening between 1960 and 2000.
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Originally Posted by TonyG
What everyone appears to be missing is not that the climate has changed in the past (not denying that), but that the pace of change is now increasing rapidly. As for us only contributing slightly, there's plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise. e.g. Atmospheric carbon dioxide at the start of the Industrial Revolution was about 290ppm (parts per million). By 2000, it had risen to around 360ppm, with around 80% of that change happening between 1960 and 2000.
After all the average height of a human has risen quite a bit over the years. However it doesn't mean that we're in danger of growing so tall that our heads will pop through the atmosphere.
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Man's activities of course contribute but to such a small amount in the whole scheme of things.
Based on what? Your own opinion of things or credible statistics, which you can link to?
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Originally Posted by TonyG
What everyone appears to be missing is not that the climate has changed in the past (not denying that), but that the pace of change is now increasing rapidly. As for us only contributing slightly, there's plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise. e.g. Atmospheric carbon dioxide at the start of the Industrial Revolution was about 290ppm (parts per million). By 2000, it had risen to around 360ppm, with around 80% of that change happening between 1960 and 2000.
Some believe that the increase in water is currently adding to the greenhouse effect, however as the air becomes more saturated and more clouds form they start to reflect more of the radiation back out in to space and this will in turn reduce the heating effect.
In short it's all guess work, nobody knows and the definitive data they have accounts for only 50-100 years out of 4.5 billion. All the rest is guesswork based on ice cores and tree rings. The model is not very good at the moment which is in part why the "guesstimates" of how things will go are so wildley different.
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So based on the fact that we now spew more into the atmosphere than at any other time in the history of the planet, we should all just continue to sit on our hands, convince ourselves that it's all guesswork at the end of the day, deny that major environmental changes are occurring, and hope for the best?
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Originally Posted by Suresh
So we should pollute as much as we like because it just doesn't make a difference then?
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BTW Let's not artifically polarise the debate people; you can be environmentally conscious without living in a mud house at this point in time. At greater epense to myself, I got a Sports cat for my Scooby, rather than a Decat. Every little helps ;-)
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So based on the fact that we now spew more into the atmosphere than at any other time in the history of the planet, we should all just continue to sit on our hands, convince ourselves that it's all guesswork at the end of the day, deny that major environmental changes are occurring, and hope for the best?
I think you're wasting your time trying to convince these knuckleheads.
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NS04, what's the difference between the carbon monoxide emitted by industrial chimneys and the carbon monoxide emitted by your car? Sorry, didn't understand the point you're making.
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God no, don't just sit there. We need a proactive campaign to convince people it's a Stalinist plot for the government to take control.
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But CO2 is a "minor" greenhouse gas - water vapour is a bigger issue. Have a look at "Water vapour feedback"
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
So based on the fact that we now spew more into the atmosphere than at any other time in the history of the planet, we should all just continue to sit on our hands, convince ourselves that it's all guesswork at the end of the day, deny that major environmental changes are occurring, and hope for the best?
I'm all for making the planet a better place etc. but I want to know
- the real evidence that man made environmental change is happening
- what the implications of this change are. Could be for the better for all we know.
- where best to channel our efforts.
If man is really has a massive impact on undesirable climate change then I suggest a mass cull of humans, after all that'd solve the problem. We eat, we breathe, we consume. The planet itself may kill off humans in time if we are a major problem. After all, the planet has been around FAR FAR FAR longer than humans have and will still be around far long after humans have disappeared.
At the end of the day, this is all about humans preserving a quality of life that we are happy with and that our kids are happy with etc. It's not about 'saving the planet'. The planet will save itself in the long term.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
NS04, what's the difference between the carbon monoxide emitted by industrial chimneys and the carbon monoxide emitted by your car? Sorry, didn't understand the point you're making.
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVF...ouse_data.html
I'm not saying that we stop doing our bit to reduce the crap we put in the environment. I'm just saying that taxing joe public when we represent such a tiny part of the claimed problem is unfair and non-productive. Industry should be held much more accountable as it represents a far greater proportion of the contribution (and has more money than us poor scooby owners) :-)
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
God no, don't just sit there. We need a proactive campaign to convince people it's a Stalinist plot for the government to take control.