Labour policy on prostitution............
17 January 2006, 11:57 AM
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Labour policy on prostitution............
Saw that this was the lead on BBC Morning TV this morning.
Apprently, they are going to tighten up the law on the kerb-crawlers, and others who pay for sex, and also do something about the pimps who CONTROL the prostitutes............but no mention was made of the prostitutes themselves, except by the (female) minister in charge, who said it was all due to child abuse
So...........what next from Labour? How about these two new policies:
Leave child abusers alone, but arrest the kids they abuse, and the abuser's wife or parents.
Leave drug pushers alone, but arrest the people who buy the drugs and the importers, (that last one is OK by me!)
Seems a bit odd, the prostitution policy: they seemed to say that ALL prostitutes got into it because of poverty, (but only one person mentioned drugs, and she was a pro), and that almost all prostitutes are under the age of consent.
So who FORCES most of them into it?
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Apprently, they are going to tighten up the law on the kerb-crawlers, and others who pay for sex, and also do something about the pimps who CONTROL the prostitutes............but no mention was made of the prostitutes themselves, except by the (female) minister in charge, who said it was all due to child abuse
So...........what next from Labour? How about these two new policies:
Leave child abusers alone, but arrest the kids they abuse, and the abuser's wife or parents.
Leave drug pushers alone, but arrest the people who buy the drugs and the importers, (that last one is OK by me!)
Seems a bit odd, the prostitution policy: they seemed to say that ALL prostitutes got into it because of poverty, (but only one person mentioned drugs, and she was a pro), and that almost all prostitutes are under the age of consent.
So who FORCES most of them into it?
Alcazar
17 January 2006, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
Usually the people who import them then take their passports away.
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17 January 2006, 12:07 PM
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There are many reasons why women enter the industry, some good, some bad, but child abuse is probably one of the least reasons that they would give. Sounds like they are trying to manipulate public opinion.
17 January 2006, 12:10 PM
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A lot of them do it because if you're working in London and good looking you make a LOT of £££ as an escort/high class pro. Same for a lot of girls/women in all the cities. Say you're 20 years old and can earn £1000+ a week (and that's in an average town, triple that at least in London) for a few hours work....very persuasive reason for a lot of girls.
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17 January 2006, 12:11 PM
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we've been discussing this at work today - worked out if they legalised prostitution, the government would benefit in an extra 7.5 billion in tax - oh and prostitutes must make up a large amount of durex's business going on government figures on how many there are and how often they work etc.
they're good for the economy!!
they're good for the economy!!
17 January 2006, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Leave child abusers alone, but arrest the kids they abuse, and the abuser's wife or parents.
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17 January 2006, 02:21 PM
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I hear an interview on R5 live this morning with a woman who was 13 when she left home and became a prostitute, she was made to do it by her pimp and felt she had no-one to turn to. Men paid over the odds to have sex with her because of her age! This is a v. sad case and this is what they should be targetting.
People trafficers also traffic guns and drugs in many cases- these should also be top of the list.
I do feel that consentual sex between two people legally old enough to do it in private is not a problem
Street prositutuion can be a problem for the neighbourhood and gilrs/boy involved and needs sorting out but target the importers, trafficers pushers pimps and men after sex with young girls!
People trafficers also traffic guns and drugs in many cases- these should also be top of the list.
I do feel that consentual sex between two people legally old enough to do it in private is not a problem
Street prositutuion can be a problem for the neighbourhood and gilrs/boy involved and needs sorting out but target the importers, trafficers pushers pimps and men after sex with young girls!
17 January 2006, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
target the importers, trafficers pushers pimps
Nicking a few johnny no-mates and teenage girls is a lot easier and Tone will have some numbers to point at to tell us that he's 'tackling' the problem.
17 January 2006, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Ah yes, but they tend to be armed and dangerous.
Nicking a few johnny no-mates and teenage girls is a lot easier and Tone will have some numbers to point at to tell us that he's 'tackling' the problem.
Nicking a few johnny no-mates and teenage girls is a lot easier and Tone will have some numbers to point at to tell us that he's 'tackling' the problem.
As usual NL have not looked into this issue properly, a few good soundbites, tackle the easy options and leave the dangerous underlying problems alone. The figures will look better for a while which seems to be the main thing for NL.
in the mean time the trafficers will get rich importing 'slaves' (in some cases underage girls/boys) vunerable people, drugs and guns/explosives at will.
This will lead to bigger problems - trust me it will!
Shame this is the case it is not right and not fair!
17 January 2006, 04:49 PM
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As always with NL, the "target" will be in a car................'cos it's SO easy to identify someone driving one
Like our local council: anti-litter wardens. The only three fines dished out so far were when they saw someone chuck something out of a car
Time for mass civil disobedience: let's ALL remove our numberplates
They might then have to find another cash cow..........and do some REAL police work.
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Like our local council: anti-litter wardens. The only three fines dished out so far were when they saw someone chuck something out of a car
Time for mass civil disobedience: let's ALL remove our numberplates
They might then have to find another cash cow..........and do some REAL police work.
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17 January 2006, 06:12 PM
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It's something that's always confused me, why do the law always go after the prostitute,drag them into court and hit them with fines? How the **** do they think these fines will get paid
Catch 22 anyone?
IMO The reason the kerbcrawlers have never been targetted before is because the people making the laws are the people using the tarts!
As it's all about supply & demand, the solution is obvious as it is with drugs, prosecute the users. Take away the demand the supply problem cures itself.
Catch 22 anyone?IMO The reason the kerbcrawlers have never been targetted before is because the people making the laws are the people using the tarts!
As it's all about supply & demand, the solution is obvious as it is with drugs, prosecute the users. Take away the demand the supply problem cures itself.
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17 January 2006, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
Usually the people who import them then take their passports away.
17 January 2006, 10:59 PM
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...does anyone know under which road traffic law they intend to ban drivers should they drive slowly through known red-light areas?
As alcazar said, the motorist is the easy target, and also gets the most punishment
mb
As alcazar said, the motorist is the easy target, and also gets the most punishment
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18 January 2006, 06:33 AM
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Actually thinking more about this the whole policy is ridiculous. They'll help a few drug-addled street ho's, nick a few losers driving cars etc but the real outfits making the money and most of the real misery will continue.
By and large the average steet ***** is there because of life choices - most molested kids don't become prostitutes or drug addicts.
For example in our local newspaper there were details of a single flat that used sex slaves (from asia) that was turning over £1.2 million a year. Only reason police investigated and did anything was because the neighbours got absolutely sick of the disturbance and forced them to close it. The girls get deported and the organisers rent another flat 2 minutes up the road.
By and large the average steet ***** is there because of life choices - most molested kids don't become prostitutes or drug addicts.
For example in our local newspaper there were details of a single flat that used sex slaves (from asia) that was turning over £1.2 million a year. Only reason police investigated and did anything was because the neighbours got absolutely sick of the disturbance and forced them to close it. The girls get deported and the organisers rent another flat 2 minutes up the road.
18 January 2006, 08:45 AM
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Hello
You seem to have missed the point slightly, in that they have tightened up on kerb-crawling, but relaxed the brothel ("massage parlour") laws to allow more than one prostitute in a flat.
Kerb crawling is a bit of a menace as it doesn't do the area any good, and anyone who lives there (girls) are assumed to be on the game.
The problem is that brothels cannot advertise, so rely on local newspaper advertising (or telephone boxes in London), rather than signposts saying "Girls here .. " so your average lazy, horny person cannot find what they want and assume kerb crawling is the only way.
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You seem to have missed the point slightly, in that they have tightened up on kerb-crawling, but relaxed the brothel ("massage parlour") laws to allow more than one prostitute in a flat.
Kerb crawling is a bit of a menace as it doesn't do the area any good, and anyone who lives there (girls) are assumed to be on the game.
The problem is that brothels cannot advertise, so rely on local newspaper advertising (or telephone boxes in London), rather than signposts saying "Girls here .. " so your average lazy, horny person cannot find what they want and assume kerb crawling is the only way.
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18 January 2006, 05:57 PM
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To me it seems that saying its ok for two night fighters to move into a residence to ply their trade is just another example of giving up and allowing standards to fall into the abyss. Bit like encouraging people to use cannabis.
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18 January 2006, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Oh look another Tory-boy circle jerk!! Hope you all brought enough tissues... 
Prohibition doesn't work. This is a much better solution.
Suresh
Prohibition doesn't work. This is a much better solution.
Suresh
Re tissues, yep i picked up the box next to your bed when i climbed off your momma and let myself out this afternoon!
Prohibition does not work but tackling the trafficers as i have stated above would go a long way to helping!
arresting a few sad people in their cars ands knicking a few poor pros on the street corner is just sticking plaster aproach.
Deal with the people making money out of the misery. Most some 90% of the street pros are on drugs (some forced onto them), supplied in the main by their pimps.
18 January 2006, 07:15 PM
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Re tissues, yep i picked up the box next to your bed when i climbed off your momma and let myself out this afternoon!
If that's the best you can do then you are a bigger tosser than I thought!
Legalisation is the best possible solution to de-criminalise an activity full-stop. Sorry NL backed away from going 'all the way' though.
Enjoy your CJ contest. I'm out of here before somebody gets too excited.
20 January 2006, 02:04 PM
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Suresh
I wonder if you are able or willing to explain exactly what you mean by your unpleasant and immature insults, which just go to show that you are starting off in the first place without a credible argument and you know it.
Your theory that allowing standards to drop legally and abandoning any idea to discourage immoral behaviour is grossly misplaced and the generally illegal practices which seem to be accepted these days because it is too much trouble to prevent them has led to the decline in moral behaviour that seems to be the norm these days. I believe that this is nothing to be proud about!
Unlike you I would not want to promote the existence of a load of mini brothels in case people might get the idea that the only way I could take part in a sexual encounter would be to have to pay for it!
I suspect that you have quoted an excuse to duck and run in case you have to find an answer to a bit of critical comment
Les
I wonder if you are able or willing to explain exactly what you mean by your unpleasant and immature insults, which just go to show that you are starting off in the first place without a credible argument and you know it.
Your theory that allowing standards to drop legally and abandoning any idea to discourage immoral behaviour is grossly misplaced and the generally illegal practices which seem to be accepted these days because it is too much trouble to prevent them has led to the decline in moral behaviour that seems to be the norm these days. I believe that this is nothing to be proud about!
Unlike you I would not want to promote the existence of a load of mini brothels in case people might get the idea that the only way I could take part in a sexual encounter would be to have to pay for it!
I suspect that you have quoted an excuse to duck and run in case you have to find an answer to a bit of critical comment
Les
22 January 2006, 02:33 PM
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Under the existing rules (source punternet.com)
I have no problem with 2 adults spending some time together for a set fee. As long as both parties are aware of what is or isn't allowed and that its of free will.
What concerns me is the underage people involved. And people being forced into it. And I dont think that the new legislation being a bit light on the real issue will actually target the problem properly.
Also slurring all Working Girls as either being forced into it or on drugs or underage is a typical tabloid sound bite. I have no doubt there are a percentage of people that fall into these categories, but I'm 100% sure not all of them. And I would guess, that the ladies are now more aware than ever of and STD/Pregnancy risks and take precautions.
Legalisiation could work in the long term, but I would be concerned that the Tax man would be making more money than anybody else.
While prostitution is technically legal, there are a number of restrictions which can make it difficult to work legally. Brothels, streetwalking and kerb-crawling are illegal, but there are no prohibitions against a girl working solo from her home. More than one girl in an apartment is considered a brothel, however, and would be illegal. There are a few co-ops in which a group of working girls gets together and rents a flat, then they take turns working one day each. This falls within the boundaries of the law.
The point here is that visiting a prostitute in a flat or having a girl come to your hotel room will not put you in danger of an unpleasant encounter with the Metropolitan Police.
The point here is that visiting a prostitute in a flat or having a girl come to your hotel room will not put you in danger of an unpleasant encounter with the Metropolitan Police.
What concerns me is the underage people involved. And people being forced into it. And I dont think that the new legislation being a bit light on the real issue will actually target the problem properly.
Also slurring all Working Girls as either being forced into it or on drugs or underage is a typical tabloid sound bite. I have no doubt there are a percentage of people that fall into these categories, but I'm 100% sure not all of them. And I would guess, that the ladies are now more aware than ever of and STD/Pregnancy risks and take precautions.
Legalisiation could work in the long term, but I would be concerned that the Tax man would be making more money than anybody else.
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22 January 2006, 03:35 PM
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Suresh
I wonder if you are able or willing to explain exactly what you mean by your unpleasant and immature insults, which just go to show that you are starting off in the first place without a credible argument and you know it.
Your theory that allowing standards to drop legally and abandoning any idea to discourage immoral behaviour is grossly misplaced and the generally illegal practices which seem to be accepted these days because it is too much trouble to prevent them has led to the decline in moral behaviour that seems to be the norm these days. I believe that this is nothing to be proud about!
Unlike you I would not want to promote the existence of a load of mini brothels in case people might get the idea that the only way I could take part in a sexual encounter would be to have to pay for it!
I suspect that you have quoted an excuse to duck and run in case you have to find an answer to a bit of critical comment
Les
I wonder if you are able or willing to explain exactly what you mean by your unpleasant and immature insults, which just go to show that you are starting off in the first place without a credible argument and you know it.
Your theory that allowing standards to drop legally and abandoning any idea to discourage immoral behaviour is grossly misplaced and the generally illegal practices which seem to be accepted these days because it is too much trouble to prevent them has led to the decline in moral behaviour that seems to be the norm these days. I believe that this is nothing to be proud about!
Unlike you I would not want to promote the existence of a load of mini brothels in case people might get the idea that the only way I could take part in a sexual encounter would be to have to pay for it!
I suspect that you have quoted an excuse to duck and run in case you have to find an answer to a bit of critical comment
Les
Les,
If you were one half as smart as you think you are, you'd be a genius!
Allowing what standards to drop exactly??? Kerb crawling and prostituation exists. Prohibition hasn't, doesn't and won't work. If you want to sit on your hands and pretend it does, then that really is your perogative.
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22 January 2006, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
So who FORCES most of them into it?
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A large majority of the women (and face it sometimes men) who work the streets have normally got an addiction of some sort. More often than not either crack, heroin or both, sometimes alcohol. Instead of going out shoplifitng etc, the easiest way of making money is to sell themselves. Their whole live revolves around their addiction. i.e get up/come too----->hit the streets, earn some money-------->buy some drugs------->pass out---->get up/come too------->hit the streets..... and so it goes on. The only thing that interrupts them is either getting arrested, overdosing or getting a kicking from a punter.
Where as, the 'high class call girls' who work the hotels and escort agencies are purely in it for the money. More often than not, so they can get themselves through Uni or even put down a deposit for a home.
Of course, there are still the ones conned in to coming to the UK, normally from the old Eastern bloc country who have no say in the matter and are kept here by their pimps
