The party that is tough on crime...
05 December 2005, 09:42 AM
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The party that is tough on crime...
The party that is tough on crime...isn't the Tory party. Surprised there hasn't been a thread already about the old perjurer being welcomed back into the fold :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4472638.stm
On Saturday, party officials dismissed a report that Lord Archer had rejoined his local constituency association in Vauxhall, south London where he also has a luxury penthouse apartment.
Lord Archer had been a senior Conservative
But Lady Archer later insisted her husband's application had been successful. "His application to Vauxhall has been accepted," she said. "He is still waiting to hear back from South Cambridgeshire."
What is even more laughable is that he is allowed to keep his seat in the Lords. An unelected criminal having power in the legislative process of the world's greatest democracy! You couldn't make it up.
Suresh
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4472638.stm
On Saturday, party officials dismissed a report that Lord Archer had rejoined his local constituency association in Vauxhall, south London where he also has a luxury penthouse apartment.
Lord Archer had been a senior ConservativeBut Lady Archer later insisted her husband's application had been successful. "His application to Vauxhall has been accepted," she said. "He is still waiting to hear back from South Cambridgeshire."
What is even more laughable is that he is allowed to keep his seat in the Lords. An unelected criminal having power in the legislative process of the world's greatest democracy! You couldn't make it up.
Suresh
05 December 2005, 10:21 AM
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05 December 2005, 12:52 PM
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Skyline - The burning man is obviously a nut, as opposed to Archer who is quite simply dishonest. Both need to be locked up of course.
Les - so you don't find Archer a complete and utter disgrace then? I'd like to hear your opinion of the man's integrity and his behaviour.
Alacazar - There might be 10x as many labour crooks out there, but they haven't been caught yet!
"Stupid". Nice name. If the cap fits...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_Whip
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Les - so you don't find Archer a complete and utter disgrace then? I'd like to hear your opinion of the man's integrity and his behaviour.
Alacazar - There might be 10x as many labour crooks out there, but they haven't been caught yet!
"Stupid". Nice name. If the cap fits...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_Whip
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05 December 2005, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
I would say that Labour have without a doubt shown more dishonesty in 7 years than in the 17 years of the Tories.
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the usual spin and hype though
cant wait, goliath start running davids comming!!!!
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05 December 2005, 04:54 PM
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Gents,
Please try to stay on topic. I know it's difficult for you, but this thread is about Archer being welcomed back into the Tory party. So do you think that it is acceptable?
If you want a list of unacceptable Tory sleaze, from Archer to Cemeteries, Quangos and Hamilton, I can easily paste it in for you. Surely you haven't forgotten??
Suresh
Please try to stay on topic. I know it's difficult for you, but this thread is about Archer being welcomed back into the Tory party. So do you think that it is acceptable?
If you want a list of unacceptable Tory sleaze, from Archer to Cemeteries, Quangos and Hamilton, I can easily paste it in for you. Surely you haven't forgotten??
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05 December 2005, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Gents,
Please try to stay on topic. I know it's difficult for you, but this thread is about Archer being welcomed back into the Tory party. So do you think that it is acceptable?
Suresh
Please try to stay on topic. I know it's difficult for you, but this thread is about Archer being welcomed back into the Tory party. So do you think that it is acceptable?
Suresh
Eight years on, the Tories' brand of sleaze looks pretty weedy compared to the wholesale corruption practised by the likes of Mandelson, Robinson, Irvine, Vaz, Byers, Jo Moore, Milburn, Hughes, Paul Corrigan, and Blair himself!
That's the big difference - whereas under the Tories there were undeniably some individual back-bench MPs with dodgy agendas of their own, the Labour government is rotten to the core - the cabinet itself; the Prime Minister himself. Tony Blair was caught red-handed lying to the House of Commons about the £1m contribution Labour accepted from the motor racing industry. It was a defining moment and would easily have been the end of a less slimy politician's career
In the old days sleaze was about politicians succumbing to the material temptations placed before them, such as expense accounts and foreign travel, or it involved the personal sexual morality or marital fidelity of politicians. There was little or no direct impact on the general public, but the press and opposition politicians worked themselves into a frenzy about it.
New Labour's New Sleaze works the other way round. It is all about the perversion of democratic government; matters of great importance to the public being cooked up behind closed doors, justified by massaged figures, semi-leaked documents and news management. Alarmingly the press seems to be uninterested, and the filthiest government since Lloyd George looks whiter than white!
Enough said!
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05 December 2005, 05:41 PM
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This post smacks of desparation. The poster could do worse than take the lesson of his hero Gordon Brown by admitting he is wrong, telling the truth, and eating a large portion of humble pie.
An interesting fact is that under New Labour there are now more young people on invalidity benefit than there are on their so called 'new deal'.
An interesting fact is that under New Labour there are now more young people on invalidity benefit than there are on their so called 'new deal'.
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05 December 2005, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Eight years on, the Tories' brand of sleaze looks pretty weedy...
That's the big difference - whereas under the Tories there were undeniably some individual back-bench MPs with dodgy agendas of their own
Get a grip man!
Enough said indeed.
05 December 2005, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Was Johnny Major-Ball a backbench MP whilst ******** Edwina then?
Bankrupting a country while turning it into a virual police state where the law abiding tax payers are turned into criminals for profit on the other hand.... that's a whole different scale of corruption.
05 December 2005, 08:32 PM
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John Major shagged a woman. Hardly going to make the sky fall.
Do you remember Britain falling out of the ERM? Cost the taxpayers at least 2bn that did. The 15% interest rates that came with it were a nightmare. The height of economic incompetence it was too.
Back on topic, Archer is a disgrace and so are the Tories for accepting him back into their ranks. Will at least one Tory here accept that as a fair statement or at least give an opinion?
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05 December 2005, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by r32
He's served his time and should be allowed to take his place in society .........
05 December 2005, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Likewise do you think both Madelson and Blunkett should have been welcomed back into ministerial posts after what they did.
Eight years on, the Tories' brand of sleaze looks pretty weedy compared to the wholesale corruption practised by the likes of Mandelson, Robinson, Irvine, Vaz, Byers, Jo Moore, Milburn, Hughes, Paul Corrigan, and Blair himself!
That's the big difference - whereas under the Tories there were undeniably some individual back-bench MPs with dodgy agendas of their own, the Labour government is rotten to the core - the cabinet itself; the Prime Minister himself. Tony Blair was caught red-handed lying to the House of Commons about the £1m contribution Labour accepted from the motor racing industry. It was a defining moment and would easily have been the end of a less slimy politician's career
In the old days sleaze was about politicians succumbing to the material temptations placed before them, such as expense accounts and foreign travel, or it involved the personal sexual morality or marital fidelity of politicians. There was little or no direct impact on the general public, but the press and opposition politicians worked themselves into a frenzy about it.
New Labour's New Sleaze works the other way round. It is all about the perversion of democratic government; matters of great importance to the public being cooked up behind closed doors, justified by massaged figures, semi-leaked documents and news management. Alarmingly the press seems to be uninterested, and the filthiest government since Lloyd George looks whiter than white!
Enough said!
Chip
Eight years on, the Tories' brand of sleaze looks pretty weedy compared to the wholesale corruption practised by the likes of Mandelson, Robinson, Irvine, Vaz, Byers, Jo Moore, Milburn, Hughes, Paul Corrigan, and Blair himself!
That's the big difference - whereas under the Tories there were undeniably some individual back-bench MPs with dodgy agendas of their own, the Labour government is rotten to the core - the cabinet itself; the Prime Minister himself. Tony Blair was caught red-handed lying to the House of Commons about the £1m contribution Labour accepted from the motor racing industry. It was a defining moment and would easily have been the end of a less slimy politician's career
In the old days sleaze was about politicians succumbing to the material temptations placed before them, such as expense accounts and foreign travel, or it involved the personal sexual morality or marital fidelity of politicians. There was little or no direct impact on the general public, but the press and opposition politicians worked themselves into a frenzy about it.
New Labour's New Sleaze works the other way round. It is all about the perversion of democratic government; matters of great importance to the public being cooked up behind closed doors, justified by massaged figures, semi-leaked documents and news management. Alarmingly the press seems to be uninterested, and the filthiest government since Lloyd George looks whiter than white!
Enough said!
Chip
05 December 2005, 08:34 PM
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spin spin spin
Originally Posted by Chip
In the old days sleaze was about politicians succumbing to the material temptations placed before them, such as expense accounts and foreign travel, or it involved the personal sexual morality or marital fidelity of politicians. There was little or no direct impact on the general public, but the press and opposition politicians worked themselves into a frenzy about it.
What's you take on Archer, then?
05 December 2005, 08:38 PM
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Damn you Chip 
Why did you have to cut and paste without a quote, you sleaze bag?
http://labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm
Still, I agree with the sentiments, lol
Why did you have to cut and paste without a quote, you sleaze bag?
http://labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm
Still, I agree with the sentiments, lol
05 December 2005, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Was Johnny Major-Ball a backbench MP whilst ******** Edwina then?
Get a grip man!
Enough said indeed.
Get a grip man!
Enough said indeed.
I'd rather that than seeing the likes of Mandelson, Smith, Bryant,Brown et al poncing around like like this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3256348.stm
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05 December 2005, 08:56 PM
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Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. "I was only looking for badgers" he said
Yeah right Ron
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Yeah right Ron
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05 December 2005, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
05 December 2005, 10:03 PM
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In the old days... yeah right
Originally Posted by Chip
In the old days sleaze was about politicians succumbing to the material temptations placed before them, such as expense accounts and foreign travel, or it involved the personal sexual morality or marital fidelity of politicians. There was little or no direct impact on the general public, but the press and opposition politicians worked themselves into a frenzy about it.
So what do you think about Archer then? Should he be accepted back into the party?
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Hypocrite much?
So what do you think about Archer then? Should he be accepted back into the party?
So what do you think about Archer then? Should he be accepted back into the party?
I think ******** a ***** then lying about it is a lot less of a crime than sending a countries armed forces into an illegal war. Dont you?
Chip