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Old 02 December 2005, 01:25 PM
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Thumbs up Singapore ...........

Hanging a Drug Smuggler ........... and the world is in uproar.

I think it's about time that the pansie west started getting tough!!!

Remove scum from life .... we do not want them, we don't need them and we don't want to pay for their playstation filled days in warm prisons!!

I think you have it just about right Singapore .... ignore the nonsense from the goody, goody 2 shoes!!

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Old 02 December 2005, 01:30 PM
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I just saw this on the news, TBH im surprised about the uproar.

And also this morning with the 1000th american exectuted there were people calling for capital punishment to be stopped. I mean ffs this guy is a murderer, what justification is there to stop this form of penalty
Old 02 December 2005, 01:32 PM
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I suppose if you kill the wrong person ................

But, if there is no question ........ kill them!

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Old 02 December 2005, 01:34 PM
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Good on Singapore. I mean it is not as if he "accidentally" became a drug smuggler, he chose to be one
Old 02 December 2005, 01:36 PM
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Wasn't a very large amount either. Crims in this country traffic tons and tons of the stuff and only get very light sentances if caught.
Old 02 December 2005, 01:37 PM
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Was the guy guilty though ??

Did he get caught in possession ??
Old 02 December 2005, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sti-04!!
Was the guy guilty though ??

Did he get caught in possession ??
YES ... he said he was doing it to help his brother!!

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Old 02 December 2005, 01:39 PM
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They caught him with 20 ounces of Heroin I think or something like that
Old 02 December 2005, 01:40 PM
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That i agree with then. Heroin brings only misery & death
Old 02 December 2005, 01:42 PM
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He knew where he was going, the laws they have and the consequences. He was caught in posession so it's a fair cop guv' !
Old 02 December 2005, 01:43 PM
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What if it turns out that he was fitted up? 20 ounces could easily be placed on someone.

If you leave them to rot in jail and it turns out they are innocent then let them out, compensate them etc. If you've already killed them then YOU as the citizen and member of the state are guilty of murder. It's no co-incidence that nearly every civilised country doesn't have capital punishment. Even many/most of the US states don't have it.
Old 02 December 2005, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
If you've already killed them then YOU as the citizen and member of the state are guilty of murder.
In the case of the two racist scum from Liverpool that's a chance I'm willing to take. And for the two little (now big) ***** who killed Jamie Bulger !

If in doubt - Jail

If no doubt - death to the scum.
Old 02 December 2005, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
If in doubt - Jail

If no doubt - death to the scum.
i agree with this idea but the only thing is in a court they cant say 'well were not sure so were going to send you to jail !
Old 02 December 2005, 01:54 PM
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PSL you do realise it was your hero that signed away the death penalty for treason, the last thing you could be executed for. He also has some moral issue about extradition where the person could face the death penalty.
Old 02 December 2005, 01:54 PM
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Thing is "if in doubt" then they wouldn't be convicted. Everyone jailed for murder has been convicted "in no doubt" but clearly things go wrong. Who will decide where there is no doubt? Do you trust the courts, the politicians, the police that much?

If you are "willing to take the risk", will you put yourself up for execution if there's a wrong conviction down the line?

Of course, in principle, I'm all up for murdering scum to be executed but I don't trust anyone to get it right and make the decisions. We are a civilised nation and civilised people don't kill people however much we hate them.
Old 02 December 2005, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by paul-s
i agree with this idea but the only thing is in a court they cant say 'well were not sure so were going to send you to jail !
That's pretty much what they do now. Some people who murder get 15 years and some get 40. I've no problem with changing the life sentence tariff to 15 - Death.

But we'll never do that because killing murdering scum infringes on their human rights - we'd have to leave Europe first.
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Of course, in principle, I'm all up for murdering scum to be executed but I don't trust anyone to get it right and make the decisions. We are a civilised nation and civilised people don't kill people however much we hate them.
Except in Iraq
Old 02 December 2005, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
Except in Iraq
Or Brazillians running for trains
Old 02 December 2005, 02:02 PM
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:trying to keep dignified and sombre expression:
Old 02 December 2005, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
:trying to keep dignified and sombre expression:
Its interesting the number of people not willing to allow the courts / judges to pass the death sentence but the Police can execute who they like on the streets and we keep voting Blair back in.

Not just Menezes - there was the Scottish guy shot for brandising a table leg and the ensuing cover up !

I'm sure we'll hear from the current cover up how the brazillian looked like he was carrying a bomb up his **** !
Old 02 December 2005, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis

I think it's about time that the pansie west started getting tough!!!

Remove scum from life .... we do not want them, we don't need them and we don't want to pay for their playstation filled days in warm prisons!!

Pete
Time to vote Tory then young man.
Old 02 December 2005, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
PSL you do realise it was your hero that signed away the death penalty for treason, the last thing you could be executed for. He also has some moral issue about extradition where the person could face the death penalty.
Godd ol' lewis. Ever the hypocrite.

Judging by his current treasonous activities I can see why Blair would want it abolished.

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Old 02 December 2005, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Time to vote Tory then young man.
Oh - 'ello, wb to NSR
Old 02 December 2005, 02:21 PM
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'hat's 'hit 'll 'he 'postropes 'n 'ere ?
Old 02 December 2005, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
'hat's 'hit 'll 'he 'postropes 'n 'ere ?
If you don't use them, and omit letters, some people get arsey
Old 02 December 2005, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
If you don't use them, and omit letters, some people get arsey
unts
Old 02 December 2005, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Oh - 'ello, wb to NSR
Won't be a regular visitor though had to say something.
Old 02 December 2005, 04:20 PM
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Well the bloke must be blind because it clearly states at the bottom of Singapore's immigration form in big bold red letters "DEATH TO ALL DRUG TRAFFICKERS"

Not as if he didn't know the risks, got what he deserved IMO!
Old 02 December 2005, 07:33 PM
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There was a secondary fuss about hanging being the executing method. I suppose death by injection or even firing squad might me more humane........

I seem to recall a big palava some years back when a Brit was given a good number of lashes for a relatively (in our terms) minor offence.
Old 02 December 2005, 10:25 PM
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I think the main fuss was about the fact that there was a mandatory death sentence and that in this case there were several mitigating circumstances.

I don't think in this case the punishment fitted the crime, it was excessive, but the law in Singapore meant that there was no flexibility in the sentencing.

Hanging isn't overly inhumane, done properly it is instantaneous (not the death but the unconsciousness) and the body is left intact so can be used for organ donations (not the case for lethal injections)

It's easy to see where Britain goes wrong when those racist axe murderers and the ones that killed the police woman don't face the death penalty.


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