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Old 27 November 2005, 11:31 AM
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Royal Marines busted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4475034.stm

Such homo-erotic initiation ceremonies are odd to say the least.
I remember the ATC squadron (wanabee flyboys) at school reportedly had an initiation ceremony which involved rubbing shoe polish into the new recruit's nads. WTF??

Is homosexuality really this common in the armed forces?

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Old 27 November 2005, 11:46 AM
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Why dont you pop down to Portsmouth to the HQ and ask the same questions. I am sure someone will 'fill you in'

Not many people know this but in times of war the military are sent to look after our interests (and sometimes for all the wrong reasons eh TBliar) and this may involve getting a bit angry, even fighting and even killing people!

To do this this they tend to have a bit more training than say a few days induction and a works manual explaing how to claim back expenses and mileage. They are taught to do thier job and in the case of the marines very well.

Incidents such as these are unfortuanate and tbh i cannot comment on it as i do not know the full background or even if it is real.

To tar the militarty with the same brush would be like calling all muslims terrorist ***** . Not true
Old 27 November 2005, 11:46 AM
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It's very well known that the SAS and Marines are full of raving pooftas!!

The Navy we know about already ................

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Old 27 November 2005, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
It's very well known that the SAS and Marines are full of raving pooftas!!

The Navy we know about already ................

Pete
Are you sure that this is not just wishfull thinking fulfilling some long supressed urges from when you were younger. Do you like Gladiator movies, gold wheels?
You own an MX5 so you are already half way out of the closet
Remember pete it is better to give than receive.
Old 27 November 2005, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
I remember the ATC squadron (wanabee flyboys) at school reportedly had an initiation ceremony which involved rubbing shoe polish into the new recruit's nads. WTF??
There was nothing like this when I joined the ATC

When I was in uni however the the rugby club initiation apparently involved the whole team dipping their choppers into a pint, then the new recruit having to down it

Makes you wonder what happened in the showers after winning a game
Old 27 November 2005, 11:51 AM
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Taken from the BBC Text
"The fight appears to have been "directed" by two non-commissioned officers. One was dressed in a surgeon's outfit, the other dressed as a schoolgirl. "

That will be one for Petes chrismas stocking (assuming he is not wearing them) then!
Old 27 November 2005, 11:59 AM
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The forces are for those who cannot cope in the real world alone.

They need someone to tell them what to do, what to eat, where to live, who to like, who to hate, who to kill, when to sleep, how to dress, how to act ......

Don't get me wrong ..... we NEED robots like thses to carry out our dirty work.

But they rarely make anything of themselves in the real world after being mummies boys. By mummy I mean the state.

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Old 27 November 2005, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
They need someone to tell them what to do, what to eat, where to live, who to like, who to hate, who to kill, when to sleep, how to dress, how to act ......
Correct......and have you tired working with any when they have to face the harsh realities of a normal job.....
Old 27 November 2005, 12:03 PM
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chap at work was a heating engineer 40 years ago. he told me as an apprentice they rubbed {some **** i can't remember} into his bollocks. this also happened to subsequent apprentices.

some weird ****ers out there
Old 27 November 2005, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
Correct......and have you tired working with any when they have to face the harsh realities of a normal job.....
Lots of them ......................................... they also have REAL attitude!!

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Old 27 November 2005, 12:07 PM
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Just to clarify, I usually have a massive amount of respect for our armed forces. The fighting as part of an initiation ceremeny I can buy - afterall that's exactly what they have to do when they go to war to defend us and our way of life..

But why do it naked? That's the bit I don't get!
Old 27 November 2005, 12:11 PM
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Some "officers" Idea I guess.

He was probably buggered at school and finds it theraputic
Old 27 November 2005, 12:16 PM
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I have known many forces personnel ...... lots are family ..... there is no question at all that they have a weird outlook on life.

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Old 27 November 2005, 12:18 PM
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My whole career was in the Armed Services and I never knowingly met a homosexual in all that time if that helps Suresh.

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Old 27 November 2005, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Lesley
My whole career was in the Armed Services and I never knowingly met a homosexual in all that time if that helps Suresh.

Les
Yeah, but you played with little aeroplanes didn't you??

Miles away from any real action

Anyway, with a name like Lesley ...... you sure you are not a woman??

Pete
Old 27 November 2005, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
To tar the militarty with the same brush would be like calling all muslims terrorist ***** . Not true
hmmmm..... you reckon ?
Old 27 November 2005, 12:26 PM
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Les, your last post made me think of Daffyd of Little Britain !

'My whole career was in the Armed Services and I never knowingly met a homosexual'

Cos I am am the only Gay in the RAF,

Good day to you.


Dont take that the wrong way (oo-er)
Old 27 November 2005, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PSLewis
They need someone to tell them what to do, what to eat, where to live, who to like, who to hate, who to kill, when to sleep, how to dress, how to act ......
.....and when in a combat situation know what to do, and do it with courage and skill, whilst you would be looking around for somewhere to hide and change your underwear.


Originally Posted by davyboy
Correct......and have you tired working with any when they have to face the harsh realities of a normal job.....
As opposed to a foot patrol in West Belfast or Basra?
Or assaulting a gun group in the Falklands with bayonets?

PMSL at your "harsh realities"
Old 27 November 2005, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DocJock
.....and when in a combat situation know what to do, and do it with courage and skill, whilst you would be looking around for somewhere to hide and change your underwear.
They do NOT know what to do ... they have had their brains removed, they DO what they are TOLD to do!!

I would indeed be looking for somewhere to hide and change my pants because I have free thought and am intelligent.

Don't get me wrong, we need brainless tough guys to protect us ...... but lets not get clouded in the thought that they know what the hell they are doing!! They do NOT!!

Pete
Old 27 November 2005, 01:11 PM
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I think under FOI you can request a copy of the tape... Anyone want to pull together the RFI?

TT
Old 27 November 2005, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
To tar the militarty with the same brush would be like calling all muslims terrorist ***** . Not true
Nice double entendre there!!

Leslie, they werent gay but their boyfriend is
Old 27 November 2005, 04:19 PM
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People that were in the forces tend to understand & accept some of these practices. You either put up with it and become accepted in which case you have no problems from then on. If you don't get accepted then you either leave or go quickly downhill as the sadistic nutters pick on you.
I was in the Navy and some of the strange ceremonies such as crossing the line were fierce.
Must admit I'd love to see the keyboard warriors who slag them off say it in the earshot of a few marines/paras etc.
Old 27 November 2005, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Alas
Must admit I'd love to see the keyboard warriors who slag them off say it in the earshot of a few marines/paras etc.
They wouldn't do a thing ............................... they would be waiting for an order!!

They simply cannot operate alone ....... they go to pieces.

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Old 27 November 2005, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie T
Nice double entendre there!!

Leslie, they werent gay but their boyfriend is

He, he - hadn't spotted it but thanks

Pete
Not all ex forces are mindless or unable to live outside of military life. Of course the military needs them to folllow orders and do as they are ordered to unless breaking the law.
My brother in law is ex navy. Now in SO19 (and i'll say no more than that) and helps keep us safe. He is a nice decent well balanced chap more than capable of making his own decisions!
Old 27 November 2005, 05:00 PM
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looked like good fun to me
other than the jerk who took a cheap shot at the guy at the end
Old 27 November 2005, 05:09 PM
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Some interesting points here. I indeed admire pslewis' uncomprimising approach to speaking his mind. Very good. However, i think most of the conversation here is a more apt description of the police force than the elite armed forces. Sure there are probably some right idiots, but it takes at least alot of energy and determination to rise to become the 'cream of the cream' (please don't play on these words) in a decent regiment. My brother in law is in a particularly 'choice' regiment, and is nothing short of super-human when he's away in middle-eastern ****-holes, and indeed when he's back home.
As per the needing to take orders: i know what you mean, and if people were more 'concious' we wouldn't have wars in the first place, but in the absence of that being the case we should consider ourselves lucky that there are men - bi-sexual or not - that will try and protect us and stay in religiously torn areas with car bombs, ******** suicide bombers and all the other worst scum in the world, while we stay at home doing whatever we do, which will predominantly be alot 'softer' than what they do.
Old 27 November 2005, 05:15 PM
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more keyboard 'heroism' on the part of pslewis i see - what a surprise...
Old 27 November 2005, 05:19 PM
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Oh good, not another fight!

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Old 27 November 2005, 05:19 PM
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Make no mistake ............ I thank them for what they do on my behalf!!

They do things I don't want to do .. thats why I pay them to do them!!

However, they have a certain mindset that IS different ........... and unusual, so much so that they struggle with civilian life.

As I said earlier I have family members who are ex-forces .......... they did tours in Belfast and the Middle east, one lived in Hereford for a while.

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Originally Posted by CyprusScooby
I'd like you to come over here and say that to my face!!!!!

I certainly don't need to be told what to do! We dont need orders telling us what to do!

But if you ever slag off the Armed Forces again like that PS Lewis you will have me to deal with
My knees are a wobbling

And you DO do what you are told to do!!

Go and play firemen .... you did it!!

Go and do this, do that ..... you do it!!

So don't give me all that crap about thinking alone!!

The pen-pushers do YOUR thinking!!

Pete


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