unclebuck

LOL - quality. So, 48 hours until they allow 24 hour drinking and the tossy NL government finally admit the truth. F**kin pathetic.

Once again they've completely shat on the public opinion and common sense and introduced a loony policy that will inflict more crime, general suffering and anti-social behaviour upon us.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4460810.stm

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

The rest of Europe manages Ok with 24 hr drinking. Maybe if there are more problems it's not the law we need to look at but the people in this country.

paul-s

it wont increase crime. and besides its not 24 hours anywhere. All the bars round here, lloyds, yates etc have only got till 12 or 1.

Chip Sengravy

Exactlty! where have you been for the last 10 years?...I cant believe you even mention the law itself...

"The people" are the No1 argument against, to allow 24hr drinking in the ****holes (i.e, large towns, cities) full of pond life is just ludicrous.

It will all go belly up, I'll give it till next autumn for them to bin the whole idea. Just let them get summer, and the associated high sprirts out of the way...they will soon realise what a bollock they have dropped.

paul-s

I cant wait till everyone realises its a good idea after all.

If people want to get pissed they will. This illiminates the need to do it in a short space of time and staggers kicking out time

black_scooby

What a load of Crap!!!!
99.9% of Anti-social behaviour occurs at closing time when everyone is kick out on to the street at the same time, by allowing people to come and go as they please will help to cut the problems, if people want to drink later into the night/morning most will be sensible and go out later and drink at a more relaxed pace because they will not be clock watching.

Chip Sengravy

Paul/black scooby..look beyond the end of your nose....

do you think people will slow down, just because they have a longer period of time to drink over?

NO!

they will just get even more bladdered!...its so simple!

paul-s

But theres already the option to go out till 2-3-4 am and drink in clubs so it already happens. I honestly cant see any change happening at all. Like I say there isnt much change, its not like everywhere is open 24-7.

Although we are organising a 9am start one morning early bird and all that

black_scooby

I think it is you that needs to look past the end of your nose....
If people want to get pissed they always will regardless of pub opening times, why should the whole country have to run its self around the arseholes

astraboy

yes, but they will leave in dribs and drabs rather than all at the same time.
Unless you're fighting yourself you have to have someone to fight with and its far easier to find an opponant when there are a couple 100 just turfed out onto the street at the same time as you!
Bit of advice, stop reading the Daily Mail!
astraboy.

black_scooby

Someone else with some sense!!

Neutral Cruiser

I agree with both of you. The people who's lives consist purely of drinking and football are ******* for a start. Furthermore there does seem to be more of a scumminess in our society than any of our European counterparts. Where is our healthy 'olive-oil and red wine' approach to socialising for example. I used to find the company of E-heads alot more agreeable in my younger days, and all the trouble was not outside the proper nightclubs where everyone was off it, but across and up the road where the lager and spirits were. In fact you didn't need bouncers in my clubs as everyone was so loved up.
Yes we need to look at the people in this country and therein lies the problem. It started with Margaret Thatcher. Well meaning as she was, she started (or at least catalysed) a culture whereby society's lowest common denomonator could breed like rabbits and be finacially rewarded for doing so. The only trouble with this that scum is multiplying exponentially and they wonder why there aren't enough jobs for everyone. Thus begins a cycle of this sub-culture entertaining themselves the only way they can; which is to fiercely support a football team (conform to an in-group stereotype) so that they can have an identity, and then to spend the rest of their lives drinking their asses off and fighting over arbitrary things like who supports who, and 'who let all the other races into the country anyway'. Its bull****.
However i'm up 24 hour licensing in the vain hope that people might slow it down a bit and become a bit more civilised and European enjoying a more dispersed time-threshold for when people are leaving the pubs etc. Frankly though i think our next biggest bug-bear may inhibit this - our climate, which is probably responsible for the fact that if we are to relax and enjoy late nights on the promenade, then we'd rather not freeze our bollocks off while we're doing it.

The Zohan

IMHO
It is not a good idea

A lot of young even old people have a 'binge' mentality you only need to look around any city centre at kicking out time.

Later licenses will stagger the time I hear people say. We the competitive pubs in the main drags are not going to stagger their times as the ones that either open later and or shut earlier will loose out on business – just common sense and if you think different then you live in another world. It is to do with MONEY for the pub chains.

The places that service the pubs such as take aways will stay open later/open later to cater so the same hot spots will still be there to spark trouble.

'It works in other countries' I hear people say. Other countries are not like the UK and the UK's problems, got to Falaraki or such in the tourist season if you want proof 100’s of drunk brits fighting ******* and vomiting to all hours. ‘We’ do not have the same family cultures or values in a lot of cases that Europe does. I am not proud of it either

It is about short term money making for a short sighted government.

The impact on the NHS and employers/universities will be short/long term with more A&E admittances and health problems. And employers with more people off with 'the morning after' syndrome. Lost man hours and damaging businesses, how long before more work is outsourced to other countries where their people can be relied on?

Sadly, this country is not ready for this. A majority of the people could live with it and use it wisely but the minority would tear the ar$e out of it and ruin it for the rest of us.

Bad idea!

Neutral Cruiser

I agree with this last point, but it's not the pubs who will stagger their times , but the people who 'may hopefully' stagger their socialising times athrough a new much wider time slot.

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

We need to change the attitude of people to the way they drink and to do so this is part of it IMHO. I think we have to look long term in this. I'm sure every problem after the law change will be highlighted in the press.

Saying all that I will be out this weekend and will be getting drunk. I however will not be fighting, abusing people, throwing up or doing anything other than having a good time with friends.

The Zohan

Really - you believe this, they may stagger their start times but i bet they end up at the same late night places drinking to the last orders and then out on the streets at the same time as all the others.

Apart from drink there is drugs. Some drugs allow you to stay up for hours and drinks lots and even make you agressive apart from the people naturally like this. I am not saying all people will be animals but some will and enough to cause problems. There are enough people who just live for the weekend and nothing else matters.

The thing is it is likely to take several generations berofere this is accepted as the norm and things sort themselves out - if they ever do!

It is not helped by the likes of the R1 DJ's for example going on about lack of sleep and getting bladddered etc on a regular basis to the very peole who treat them as role models.

Society in ths country is not as good as it should be.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Seeing that being drunk and disorderly is a crime, it's a pretty obvious sweeping statement...bravo to the ministers

Chip Sengravy

Paul...

stop reading the daily mail

LOL!

The Zohan

closest i get to reading it is eating my take away chips out of it thanks

I have my own opinions based on what i believe and i do not think it is a good idea. I am not saying out of 2000 people on a night out all of them are gonna get caned and start a fight but enough can and do and it is getting worse. If you think differently then ask a copper or a nurse or ambulance driver.

Peoole will moderate their drinking - in an ideal world they would, guess what we do not live in an ideal world, far from it!!!

As i stated staggering the times will not work as the main drinking places in the main streets - we all know which ones in our respective towns and cities will all match the others as regards hours. They have to to ensure they genertae the revinue and pay the staff, bosses and sharholders - it is basic business sense these are not places relying on and quiet groups of friends out for a couple prior to driving home or families and food to make up the revinue but drinkers and drinkers only.

Dracoro

Great, now we don't have to rush our drinks getting more rapidly drunk than we need to then getting chucked out of pubs, pissed off and drunk along with loads of others in the same position.

Anyway the case has NOT BEEN WON one way or the other. Only time will tell if things will get better or worse. Personally I think they'll get better but that's only my opinion.

And the new laws DO NOT MEAN 24 HOUR DRINKING, it merely means that pubs can close a few hours later (or not at all if they want) than usual, esp at weekends. Most places won't stay open anyway near 24 hours. They need staffing, cleaning, stocking etc. which can't readily be done whilst open. Apart from that, you're not gonna get many people wanting beer at 6am on a monday morning!! (or any morning for that matter) and besides, they'll have a job finding a place open at that time anyway.

Of course, initially you'll get some nutters getting as pissed as they can as late as they can but they'll get bored soon, sick, skint, banned from places. After a short while, once the novelty has worn off, people will calm down and things will settle. Then we can make a judgement. If it's really bad a year or two down the line then change things back. The public will decide, but lets try it out first.

In addition, normal laws still apply, if a pub gets loads of trouble at whatever hour, they can have their licence removed.

Suresh

The European model works and is worth giving a try. Is anyone claiming current licencing laws in the UK are effective in preventing binge drinking and related trouble

The argument of how Brits act when on holiday and free of stupid licencing laws is nonsense. The restrictions are what brought about the binge drinking culture in the first place. It'll take a while for people to change of course. You never know, if the UK gets de-chavved enough through measures like this *and* the Tories stay out of power, I might even come back!

Suresh

Brun

**** the politics behind it all, bring on the beer
After a long day at work, it's a pain rushing round to get ready to get out at a decent time. Where i live (Wetherby) we have no late night bars/clubs so the only after hours drinking is gonna mean a taxi into york/leeds/harrogate. When you just fancy a couple of extra social beers, this is and expensive way to do it.
FWIW, there is often kicking off in Wetherby at kicking out time. IMO, there's much less chance of this with no set closing time
We get the Daily Mail, but i only look at the pictures

paul-s

some good points in the last 3 posts. I definitly feel people are writing the idea off too soon. The extra couple of hours in pubs means people dont get kicked out simultaneously and are not forced to go to a club to continue drinking. I honestly dont think this will even make the news. It will be such a subtle change, pubs round our way have an extra hour or 2, thats it. Can't see anything mildly different occuring.

the moose

Funny, EXACTLY the same arguments were deployed when pubs were given all-day opening.

Can't say I've noticed any more public drunkenness as a result, excepting the winos who clearly wouldn't be allowed in a pub anyway.

davegtt

cracks me up, do you think the drinking culture has changed so much over the years? people we're still going out and drinking til they we're stumbling about 10-20 years ago were they not? Binge drinking, where the **** has this all come from? anyone who has more than 4 pints a night now is classed as a binge drinker. so that mean I binge drink on my own on a friday night at home and cause trouble does it. Load of old tosh. Open the pubs and let me buy some beer at ASDA at 11:30pm.

Personally, the first week it might be a novelty for a few people but it'll soon wear off because half the idiots who do drink to their max capacity will still only leave the house with say £70 in their pocket and when its gone its gone. Not many people I kno take a bank card with them onto town as its lethal so its gonna be impossible to drink anymore unless prices are dropped..... (which I wont argue against either )

pete1977

YAHOOOOO!Break out the whisky,who wants a fight!

Leslie

Why do you read the Daily Mail Astraboy?

Les

SJ_Skyline

Got an end of project knees up tonight

I wonder if we will be thrown out of the pub at 11:20 only to be let back in again at 00:01....

vindaloo

Lock 'em up and fine them then. Don't allow them back into pubs until the fine's paid.

dpb

I presume gov. are attempting to force us to become continentals by derestricting opening hours and limiting licenses - i suspect this unlikey to ever happen and is gong to be costly in the meantime.


id like to be proved wrong however...