i am going to have one of these in my xmas stocking...
i am going to have one of these in my xmas stocking...
03 November 2005, 11:27 AM
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Now I was thinking that but wasn't going to say it.
Actually, from what I recall of a thread elsewhere, Ms Squares would be the ideal leg to model...
Actually, from what I recall of a thread elsewhere, Ms Squares would be the ideal leg to model...
03 November 2005, 11:28 AM
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Why bother?
If you're going to drive, don't drink at all, simple as. A unit is not an acurate reflection of how much alchohol you have in your blood, your body mass, eating while drinking will all have an effect.
Also what do you do when you have had your 2 halves or whatever, thinking you should be OK and then find you're not? Do you risk it? Leave the car miles away and get a taxi?
If you're going to drive, don't drink at all, simple as. A unit is not an acurate reflection of how much alchohol you have in your blood, your body mass, eating while drinking will all have an effect.
Also what do you do when you have had your 2 halves or whatever, thinking you should be OK and then find you're not? Do you risk it? Leave the car miles away and get a taxi?
03 November 2005, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Why bother?
If you're going to drive, don't drink at all, simple as. A unit is not an acurate reflection of how much alchohol you have in your blood, your body mass, eating while drinking will all have an effect.
Also what do you do when you have had your 2 halves or whatever, thinking you should be OK and then find you're not? Do you risk it? Leave the car miles away and get a taxi?
If you're going to drive, don't drink at all, simple as. A unit is not an acurate reflection of how much alchohol you have in your blood, your body mass, eating while drinking will all have an effect.
Also what do you do when you have had your 2 halves or whatever, thinking you should be OK and then find you're not? Do you risk it? Leave the car miles away and get a taxi?
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03 November 2005, 11:49 AM
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Seriously, while I agree in principle with what OllyK said, it's good to have the reassurance in the morning. And it can be very deceptive just how long you stay over the limit for. We used to have an 8 hour bottle to throttle rule when I was flying. We had a combined mess dinner one evening and two of the guys were on an early hop. They were very sensible indeed, and though the drink was flowing freely they stopped a good 10 hours before their ramp time.
The post mortems showed that they were both still way over the drink-drive limit at the time of impact.
Personally I don't drink and drive full stop. I don't believe there is a *safe* limit. But I also recognise that there is a legal one and that you want to be sure you're below it...
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The post mortems showed that they were both still way over the drink-drive limit at the time of impact.
Personally I don't drink and drive full stop. I don't believe there is a *safe* limit. But I also recognise that there is a legal one and that you want to be sure you're below it...
SB
03 November 2005, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Seriously, while I agree in principle with what OllyK said, it's good to have the reassurance in the morning. And it can be very deceptive just how long you stay over the limit for. We used to have an 8 hour bottle to throttle rule when I was flying. We had a combined mess dinner one evening and two of the guys were on an early hop. They were very sensible indeed, and though the drink was flowing freely they stopped a good 10 hours before their ramp time.
The post mortems showed that they were both still way over the drink-drive limit at the time of impact.
Personally I don't drink and drive full stop. I don't believe there is a *safe* limit. But I also recognise that there is a legal one and that you want to be sure you're below it...
SB
The post mortems showed that they were both still way over the drink-drive limit at the time of impact.
Personally I don't drink and drive full stop. I don't believe there is a *safe* limit. But I also recognise that there is a legal one and that you want to be sure you're below it...
SB
my point exactly. i think we would all be shocked if we were breathalised the day after. even though you are sober the next day a test could prove otherwise
look at all the die-hards that say parking sensors are for people that cant drive and Road Angel users shouldnt speed....
nothing wrong with being extra safe, it doesnt mean you are being irresponsable just because you want to be sure
03 November 2005, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BlkKnight
Tanita make a cheaper (simpler) breathalizer (circ £15.99).
Gives results like OK or NOT Ok to drive.
Perfect for the morning after.
Gives results like OK or NOT Ok to drive.
Perfect for the morning after.
03 November 2005, 12:24 PM
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Whilst it is commendable to test yourself the morning after, unfortunately, their accuracy cannot be relied upon, and hypothetically, if you were stopped and found to be over the limit, the fact that you self tested negative won't stand as a defence as it is not a recognised, calibrated testing method.
My fear would always be that the device has given a false negative and that I may actually be over.....
Like others have said, the only reliable method is simply not to drive the next morning if you have had a bucket the night before.
My fear would always be that the device has given a false negative and that I may actually be over.....
Like others have said, the only reliable method is simply not to drive the next morning if you have had a bucket the night before.
03 November 2005, 12:25 PM
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yo could just count up the no. of units youve had .....
...much cheaper/safer
remember body doesnt start to break alcohol down for an hour after imbibing.
...oh if you cant quite recall how many youve had/what constitues a unit- youll obviously need more time out untill you do.........
...much cheaper/saferremember body doesnt start to break alcohol down for an hour after imbibing.
...oh if you cant quite recall how many youve had/what constitues a unit- youll obviously need more time out untill you do.........
03 November 2005, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by talizman
Whilst it is commendable to test yourself the morning after, unfortunately, their accuracy cannot be relied upon, and hypothetically, if you were stopped and found to be over the limit, the fact that you self tested negative won't stand as a defence as it is not a recognised, calibrated testing method.
My fear would always be that the device has given a false negative and that I may actually be over.....
Like others have said, the only reliable method is simply not to drive the next morning if you have had a bucket the night before.
My fear would always be that the device has given a false negative and that I may actually be over.....
Like others have said, the only reliable method is simply not to drive the next morning if you have had a bucket the night before.
03 November 2005, 12:59 PM
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Sara, first question I'd ask is where you can get it calibrated and for how much and how often it needs to be done.
Saying it can be calibrated is only any good if there is a reputable company who can calibrate that particular model of breathalyser.
Look at the self righteous NSR's spouting off saying "just don't drink". How pathetic and small minded. Can't they find something positive for once? Rather than constantly finding something wrong with everyones view/post
There are times such as mornings after where poeple honestly don't know if they under or over the limit. Yet feel sober and feel like they are ok to drive, when it isn't the case, a device that can give a second opinion, even if questionable is better than nothing. It also must be taken into account it is difficult to count the amount of drink you have comnsumed if your drunk, and the unit levels for each indivdual drink vary depending on its strength. How often is the average person in a pub going to peer at the tiny list at the the end of the bar stating the %APV of each drink and work out their "safe consumption"?. Also the failure appreciate that dehydration, body mass, health has an effect on the way each individuals body copes with alcohol.
(And don't bother to reply and/or quote the above text...I've typed my 2pence and don't require anymore of your pathetic small minded justifications as to why your right and never ever wrong
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Saying it can be calibrated is only any good if there is a reputable company who can calibrate that particular model of breathalyser.
Look at the self righteous NSR's spouting off saying "just don't drink". How pathetic and small minded. Can't they find something positive for once? Rather than constantly finding something wrong with everyones view/post
There are times such as mornings after where poeple honestly don't know if they under or over the limit. Yet feel sober and feel like they are ok to drive, when it isn't the case, a device that can give a second opinion, even if questionable is better than nothing. It also must be taken into account it is difficult to count the amount of drink you have comnsumed if your drunk, and the unit levels for each indivdual drink vary depending on its strength. How often is the average person in a pub going to peer at the tiny list at the the end of the bar stating the %APV of each drink and work out their "safe consumption"?. Also the failure appreciate that dehydration, body mass, health has an effect on the way each individuals body copes with alcohol.
(And don't bother to reply and/or quote the above text...I've typed my 2pence and don't require anymore of your pathetic small minded justifications as to why your right and never ever wrong
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03 November 2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Sara, first question I'd ask is where you can get it calibrated and for how much and how often it needs to be done.
Saying it can be calibrated is only any good if there is a reputable company who can calibrate that particular model of breathalyser.
Look at the self righteous NSR's spouting off saying "just don't drink". How pathetic and small minded. Can't they find something positive for once? Rather than constantly finding something wrong with everyones view/post
There are times such as mornings after where poeple honestly don't know if they under or over the limit. Yet feel sober and feel like they are ok to drive, when it isn't the case, a device that can give a second opinion, even if questionable is better than nothing. It also must be taken into account it is difficult to count the amount of drink you have comnsumed if your drunk, and the unit levels for each indivdual drink vary depending on its strength. How often is the average person in a pub going to peer at the tiny list at the the end of the bar stating the %APV of each drink and work out their "safe consumption"?. Also the failure appreciate that dehydration, body mass, health has an effect on the way each individuals body copes with alcohol.
(And don't bother to reply and/or quote the above text...I've typed my 2pence and don't require anymore of your pathetic small minded justifications as to why your right and never ever wrong )
Saying it can be calibrated is only any good if there is a reputable company who can calibrate that particular model of breathalyser.
Look at the self righteous NSR's spouting off saying "just don't drink". How pathetic and small minded. Can't they find something positive for once? Rather than constantly finding something wrong with everyones view/post
There are times such as mornings after where poeple honestly don't know if they under or over the limit. Yet feel sober and feel like they are ok to drive, when it isn't the case, a device that can give a second opinion, even if questionable is better than nothing. It also must be taken into account it is difficult to count the amount of drink you have comnsumed if your drunk, and the unit levels for each indivdual drink vary depending on its strength. How often is the average person in a pub going to peer at the tiny list at the the end of the bar stating the %APV of each drink and work out their "safe consumption"?. Also the failure appreciate that dehydration, body mass, health has an effect on the way each individuals body copes with alcohol.
(And don't bother to reply and/or quote the above text...I've typed my 2pence and don't require anymore of your pathetic small minded justifications as to why your right and never ever wrong
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03 November 2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sarasquares
but you could be over the limit the next evening and not no it. i am sure that the devise cannot be relied upon that you use it at your own discretion
My personal opinion is that I'd be scared of inaccuracies and a false sense of security = drivng ban.
Top Gear mag or Auto Express evaluated a bunch of these products a few years back and most were found to be inaccurate at best and downright useless at worst! One or two were fairly decent in the test, so may offer a reasonable gauge for you if you find the right one.
Anyway, if you are still over the limit the following night, its not a breathaliser you need, it an AA subscription!
03 November 2005, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by talizman
Absolutely, and like I said, commendable to consider using something, when most folk don't bother.
My personal opinion is that I'd be scared of inaccuracies and a false sense of security = drivng ban.
Top Gear mag or Auto Express evaluated a bunch of these products a few years back and most were found to be inaccurate at best and downright useless at worst! One or two were fairly decent in the test, so may offer a reasonable gauge for you if you find the right one.
Anyway, if you are still over the limit the following night, its not a breathaliser you need, it an AA subscription!
My personal opinion is that I'd be scared of inaccuracies and a false sense of security = drivng ban.
Top Gear mag or Auto Express evaluated a bunch of these products a few years back and most were found to be inaccurate at best and downright useless at worst! One or two were fairly decent in the test, so may offer a reasonable gauge for you if you find the right one.
Anyway, if you are still over the limit the following night, its not a breathaliser you need, it an AA subscription!
03 November 2005, 03:38 PM
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My pal had one of these and one light we carried out an experiment.
The wife was driving - so didn't have any drinks at all - everybody else was getting blotto.
After a large amount of drinking we all had a go on the machine.
Wife - Clear
Me - Over
Pal - Over.
We then had coffee.
Wife - Clear
Me - Over
Pal - Clear
Me and my pal were having trouble standing upright at the time - so accurancy seems a problem !
I wouldn't trust my license to one of these machines.
The wife was driving - so didn't have any drinks at all - everybody else was getting blotto.
After a large amount of drinking we all had a go on the machine.
Wife - Clear
Me - Over
Pal - Over.
We then had coffee.
Wife - Clear
Me - Over
Pal - Clear
Me and my pal were having trouble standing upright at the time - so accurancy seems a problem !
I wouldn't trust my license to one of these machines.
03 November 2005, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
My pal had one of these and one light we carried out an experiment.
The wife was driving - so didn't have any drinks at all - everybody else was getting blotto.
After a large amount of drinking we all had a go on the machine.
Wife - Clear
Me - Over
Pal - Over.
We then had coffee.
Wife - Clear
Me - Over
Pal - Clear
Me and my pal were having trouble standing upright at the time - so accurancy seems a problem !
I wouldn't trust my license to one of these machines.
The wife was driving - so didn't have any drinks at all - everybody else was getting blotto.
After a large amount of drinking we all had a go on the machine.
Wife - Clear
Me - Over
Pal - Over.
We then had coffee.
Wife - Clear
Me - Over
Pal - Clear
Me and my pal were having trouble standing upright at the time - so accurancy seems a problem !
I wouldn't trust my license to one of these machines.