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Old 18 October 2005, 08:09 AM
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Default Another Big brother is watching thread..more spooky this time!

http://www.computershopper.co.uk/?ne...y.php?id=78682Have a read at this article if you think that big brother is not out there.

Seems that big brother really does exist, not only in this country, but in a global capacity.
Seems that the big IT companies have all bowed down to 'the man' to breach our civil liberties yet again.

I'll be signing up to help on the project here:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/

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Old 18 October 2005, 08:38 AM
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Its a frightener alright!

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Old 18 October 2005, 08:43 AM
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wow that's cool.
Not a great surprise is it?
I wouldn't type anything I wasn't happy to be read by everyone, it's bound to surface in the end.
Old 18 October 2005, 08:43 AM
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perhaps a bit on the big brother side, but y would any normal law abiding person have a problem with this?

just think, being able to track any document ragrading criminal activity and know within a few days who printed it, how many different types of crime would that make difficult?
Old 18 October 2005, 09:38 AM
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y would any normal law abiding person have a problem with this?
Commercial confidentiality. Not all printers are used by private individuals, at home, for producing letters and holiday snaps.

If I were running any business that engages in confidential contracts with other companies - that's about all of them, by the way - I'd be insisting that my IT equipment contained no such security hole. I've a feeling that this undocumented feature is going to see a lot of printer manufacturers in court before you can say 'mutual non-disclosure agreement'.
Old 18 October 2005, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
Commercial confidentiality. Not all printers are used by private individuals, at home, for producing letters and holiday snaps.

If I were running any business that engages in confidential contracts with other companies - that's about all of them, by the way - I'd be insisting that my IT equipment contained no such security hole. I've a feeling that this undocumented feature is going to see a lot of printer manufacturers in court before you can say 'mutual non-disclosure agreement'.
You're suggesting that you forsee a lot of litigation with printer manufacturers because they can prove which machine printed a document and when it was printed ?

I don't think so - unless of course you trying to print a contract with dodgy start dates etc .
Old 18 October 2005, 10:52 AM
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unless of course you trying to print a contract with dodgy start dates etc .
My thoughts exactly, if thats the only data it holds I cant see a problem with any of the information it holds????
Old 18 October 2005, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
My thoughts exactly, if thats the only data it holds I cant see a problem with any of the information it holds????
From a personal privacy point of view I can see problems - but not commercially.

Imagine printing off a letter to Tony Blair saying you thought that his policies were that of a right wing extremist only to find the following day you had been incarcerated for 3 months under his new anti-terror laws as they had traced your printed letter back to you through the credit card transaction when you bought it.

Later to find out the the spook that had put the Police onto you was infact colour blind and meant to send them to your neighbour - Osama Bin Smith.
Old 18 October 2005, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
My thoughts exactly, if thats the only data it holds I cant see a problem with any of the information it holds????
When does the information it holds (encrypted as it may be) become a problem. What information would need to be on there (or on an ID card or some other such thing) before people started getting twitchy?

The problem I have is with backdoor erosion (HaHa ). Start with little things that most people can't object to, when they don't, it makes it that much easier to include more things that may be a little more contentious.
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Law abiding or not, as in other matters of the loss of personal liberties, it is the principles that are important, and what it can lead to in the future with bad people controlling the rest of us.

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Old 18 October 2005, 12:13 PM
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Oh, I am surprised and shocked.
Old 18 October 2005, 01:04 PM
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I can't see any yellow dots on my prints, time to get my microscope out!!
Old 18 October 2005, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by King RA
I can't see any yellow dots on my prints, time to get my microscope out!!
you couldnt see a lorry if it hit u in the face u blind ****
Old 18 October 2005, 07:54 PM
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ist this similar to the digital rights / whats in your machine issue that msn had to drop when they released XP..

its not the not having anything to hide issues that get me, its the fact that data is being used / created against/for you without your knowledge..

big brother.... is watching..


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Old 18 October 2005, 08:02 PM
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I don't really see too much issue with the fact that they have done it.

The thing that really annoys me, and I mean REALLY annoys me, is that we had no say in it. These things should be debated in the proper public forums and a decision made on that basis
Old 18 October 2005, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
perhaps a bit on the big brother side, but y would any normal law abiding person have a problem with this?
This is the staple argument of the ignorant.

I have nothing to hide but my privacy.
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