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Old 28 September 2005, 02:26 PM
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http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...445939,00.html

Old 28 September 2005, 02:29 PM
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that drug is evil, i can't believe it's not illegal
Old 28 September 2005, 02:31 PM
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lol.. a new drug on the scene?!? I dont take owt like that (honest guv, dont even smoke me) but known people who've been using this since about 2000 at very least.
Old 28 September 2005, 02:33 PM
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Ive seen a small dose of Ketamine knock out a half tonne horse..... its quality stuff!


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Old 28 September 2005, 02:33 PM
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. . and long before too, but 'unintentionally' a lot of the time. I've seen it about since 1988-89.
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4 to 6 grammes a day - total rubbish

a gramme of ketamin in powder form will last ages (so ive heard )

To knock a horse out it is mixed with another more powerfull drug, i cant remember what its called now, but news will hype it up now.

Pure ketamin IMHO is safer than X, due to X now being mixed with god knows what.! Just a new story to jump on.
Old 28 September 2005, 02:35 PM
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It was first used in Vietnam I believe. This is just tabloid-esque, sensationalist journalism of the lowest order.

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Old 28 September 2005, 02:37 PM
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I dont do drugs but i know it is not new
Old 28 September 2005, 02:52 PM
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I've done it years ago. I don't know how on earth people can do it in a club tho, I did it in a mates house and couldn't work out wtf was going on, sod doing it in a club.

If it has no side effects then why not let it remain legal, it's effect is no different to drinking 10 pints and it doesn't last all night, if your too fcuked then just wait 20 mins (maybe more, it makes you loose all sense of time, lol)
Old 28 September 2005, 02:56 PM
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IMO making it illegal will only boost its popularity, and make it more trendy.

X and cocaine are bothe illegal but how many people does that stop?

And it will push the price up
Old 28 September 2005, 02:59 PM
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new on the scene? my ****!

its been around for ages, I remember being offered it in club kinetic 11 years ago!
Old 28 September 2005, 03:12 PM
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Let people take as much as they want, sell as much as they want and die as much as they want!!!!! Someone will and then it will all go Pete Tong.

This one will prove to be another "I can handle it" drugs. It's a mainly for horses f.f.s. not a sweetie!!! Used in hospitals undersupervision and by qualified vets.

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new??????

'Life in the K Hole' by the chemical brothers which came out in 1997 points to how long the drug has been around.... unless the media thought they were on about kellogs special K

Nasty drug- thanks to sky news, now watch the price rocket and usage quadruple in the next month
Old 28 September 2005, 03:20 PM
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On another note, i was in a pub on sunday afternoon & was offered MDMA in powder form, didnt take any though but a few guys with me did & it wasnt really a lot

God they were out of it

Glad i dont use drugs
Old 28 September 2005, 03:24 PM
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Ketamine used to be found in pills during the mid 90's... remember 'flatliners' for one. seeing people sat on the floor in dance clubs was a signature respsonse!.
Old 28 September 2005, 03:25 PM
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I don't do drugs;drugs are bad hmmmmkay.

However, there's this chap I know and his first ever E was cut with K. He recalls all hard edges glowing a beautiful neon blue colour (think of Tron) and believing (not imagining, actually believing) that Eddie Veder was skinning up next to him (the hat, long curly hair and the rock and roll attire conspiring against his altered state).

New drug....try a couple of decades old.

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Old 28 September 2005, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I don't do drugs;drugs are bad hmmmmkay.

However, there's this chap I know and his first ever E was cut with K. He recalls all hard edges glowing a beautiful neon blue colour (think of Tron) and believing (not imagining, actually believing) that Eddie Veder was skinning up next to him (the hat, long curly hair and the rock and roll attire conspiring against his altered state).

New drug....try a couple of decades old.

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P.S. Said friend had an absolutely ******* brilliant time
Old 28 September 2005, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MY00PPP
Ketamine used to be found in pills during the mid 90's... remember 'flatliners' for one. seeing people sat on the floor in dance clubs was a signature respsonse!.

See, now thats what I don't get about this business of Ketamine being a dance drug?! How the hell is it a dance drug when all the pills I took as a ner'do'well young'un that contained Ketamine put me on my **** for a good few hours?

If its a tranquilizer (sp) how are you supposed to dance on it?

Seems a load of tabloid tosh TBH.
Old 28 September 2005, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by EddScott
See, now thats what I don't get about this business of Ketamine being a dance drug?! How the hell is it a dance drug when all the pills I took as a ner'do'well young'un that contained Ketamine put me on my **** for a good few hours?

If its a tranquilizer (sp) how are you supposed to dance on it?

Seems a load of tabloid tosh TBH.
Just want to sit crosslegged and observe - various size fishes and a cardboard box was the last thing on your mind.
Old 28 September 2005, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Just want to sit crosslegged and observe - various size fishes and a cardboard box was the last thing on your mind.
Not overly sure what your getting at thier

I do remember sitting crossed legged on the floor of Rollers next to Sanctury in Milton Keynes for one of the Dreamscape New Years Eve parties (that should give you an idea of how long ago it was!).

I remember wondering why everyone was dancing in their pyjamas.
Old 28 September 2005, 03:48 PM
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I don't think ketamine is used to tranquilise large animals, is it ? - vets call it 'cat valium' don't they ? It's phencyclidine (PCP / angel dust) they use to knock cattle out !
Old 28 September 2005, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by shaggy1973
new on the scene? my ****!

its been around for ages, I remember being offered it in club kinetic 11 years ago!
I used to frequent Kinetic back then, a quality place
Old 28 September 2005, 06:27 PM
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"Ketamine is best known as a horse tranquilliser"

WTF has it got to do with horses? It's used every day on humans in hospitals.

Just because horses drink water doesn't mean it's "horse water".

And it's safer than other taxable drugs.
Old 28 September 2005, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I don't do drugs;drugs are bad hmmmmkay.

However, there's this chap I know and his first ever E was cut with K.

No it wasn't. Ketamine is found with other drugs, but not MDMA. And even if it was, how on earth would your "friend" know?

But yes, ketamine is old news. And the police have been trying to get it controlled for several years.


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Old 28 September 2005, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
No it wasn't. Ketamine is found with other drugs, but not MDMA. And even if it was, how on earth would your "friend" know?

But yes, ketamine is old news. And the police have been trying to get it controlled for several years.


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Erm, E's have been cut with K regularly since the late 80s and experienced drug takers are more then capable of defining the characteristics of a given pill. Additionally, "ecstasy" has been analysed by organisations such as the Chemical Society and have found them to be cut with K. Why the **** would you want to challenge me, in a light-hearted thread, with an inaccurate contradiction?

How would my "friend" know? Work it out dumb-dumb.
Old 28 September 2005, 10:22 PM
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Actually drug-takers are rubbish at identifying what is in tablets (unless they are Alexander Shulgin, and even he says that effect vary from time to time). But sometime after taking about they're fourth E they somehow become an expert on the difference in effects between MDMA, MDEA, MDA, 4MTA, MBDB, 2C-T-7 etc etc. Not to mention various assorted mixes of legal drugs. How? What the **** is their baseline? How do they know that what they think is MDMA, actually is? For all they know the stuff they got their best time off was something esle entirely and they dismissed genuine MDMA as a fake.

And in answer to your other question, you could try reading my profile. But I'll spell it out for you: my job is to analyse illegal drugs, and I've been doing it for twelve years. I have access to data going back a lot further. I don't consider myself an expert, but I know a **** of a lot more about what is in pills than anyone who simply takes the things. I'll rephrase what I said slightly: I can't say that ketamine has NEVER been found in MDMA tablets, but it is incredibly rare, and I've never heard of it.

Out of interest, who is the Chemical Society? Do you mean the Royal Society of Chemistry, or is this some pro-drug organisation? Because I'm interested in how they do their analysis, plus any peer-reviewed published data.


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Old 28 September 2005, 10:32 PM
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One of my friends swears by it.
She says that taken reguarly in small quantities and you can dance all night.
But that doesnt change my opinion though. I can understand all recreational drug usage, apart from K.
K = Rave smack and I despise it.
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Old 28 September 2005, 11:51 PM
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Ketamine mashed me when i had it a few years back in someones house. I couldnt stand up very well and had to think before i did anything.

And the stuff comes in liquid form and is boiled in a pan turning into powder. Grams used to be a score a few years back but theyre a tenner now. Wouldnt do it now tho, and cant understand how people go out dancing on it. I could barely move Dont mind a bit of c tho
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Originally Posted by Nat21
That 5-6 g a day is possible, the more you take the more you need to get the effects. I know people who when they were taking a lot could do half gram lines of the stuff with no bother!
I've been there.


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