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Old 09 July 2005, 05:40 PM
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A friend of the family has been found not guilty of conspiracy to rob, but is still on trial for conspiracy to steal.

But whats the difference?? I thought they were the same.
Old 09 July 2005, 06:45 PM
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Robbery is theft with force or threat of.
Old 09 July 2005, 06:46 PM
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No they are not the same. Theft is dishonestly misapropriating property belonging to another with the intention to permanantly deprice them of it.

It becomes robbery when violence, or the threat of violence is used in the course of the theft.

In terms of sentence, robbery is a far graver crime(generally) than theft.
Old 09 July 2005, 09:24 PM
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Turboman is nearly right

theft is dishonestly appropriating property belonging to another with the intention to permanantly deprive them of it, for the benefit of themselves or another, and "steal" shall be construed accordingly

theft is Robbery, if you steal and at the time of doing so or immediately before, and in order to do so, you use force, or the threat of such force being there and then applied on another, and in order to steal

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Old 09 July 2005, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JGRIFF
Turboman is nearly right

theft is dishonestly appropriating property belonging to another with the intention to permanantly deprive them of it, for the benefit of themselves or another, and "steal" shall be construed accordingly

theft is Robbery, if you steal and at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, you use force, or the threat of such force being there and then applied on another, and in order to steal
Actually, I think turboman is completely right, only you wanted to say the same thing with more words and to appear more knowledgeable.

Paul
Old 10 July 2005, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Actually, I think turboman is completely right, only you wanted to say the same thing with more words and to appear more knowledgeable.

Paul
Old 10 July 2005, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Actually, I think turboman is completely right, only you wanted to say the same thing with more words and to appear more knowledgeable.

Paul
I agree, except he didn't say the same thing with more words. He said the wrong thing with more words!

theft is Robbery, if you steal and at the time of doing so or immediately before, and in order to do so, you use force, or the threat of such force being there and then applied on another, and in order to steal
Theft isn't robbery, but robbery is theft
Old 10 July 2005, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Actually, I think turboman is completely right, only you wanted to say the same thing with more words and to appear more knowledgeable.

Paul

Lol!

Zen must be a barrister...they love using ten words where one will suffice!
Old 10 July 2005, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
Lol!

Zen must be a barrister...they love using ten words where one will suffice!
Old 10 July 2005, 08:58 PM
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But conspiracy is a different charge, Which IIRC is triable only in the crown court.
Old 10 July 2005, 09:02 PM
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Robbery carries a maximum of life in the can, where theft carries a max of 7yrs.
Old 10 July 2005, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Manda_po
But conspiracy is a different charge, Which IIRC is triable only in the crown court.
His trial is at the crown court so you could be right.

Glad to hear it only has maximum of 7 years
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