My viewpoint on the London attacks...as a MUSLIM..
07 July 2005, 07:41 PM
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My viewpoint on the London attacks...as a MUSLIM..
Like everyone, I watched and read with a sense of disbelief and outrage the appalling attacks in London today.
It came as no suprise to me to hear that 'Islamic' groups were responsible for the attacks..at the time of writing this has not been made official, but I guess it will just be a matter of time before the blame is placed squarely at the door of the Muslims.
As a British Muslim, this causes me great concern on many levels, which I wont go into at this stage int too much depth.
IF, and I stress IF this attack was carried out by a group purporting to act in the name of Islam, then I would like to say, as a Muslim, that each and every Muslim I have spoken to today, has expressed a deep and sincere sense of OUTRAGE at these attacks. This is NOT an 'Islamic' act, it is an act of pure evil to attack innocents who have done nothing. Islam FORBIDS acts such as this, and only those who are warped and twisted believe that these are holy acts.
The attacks in London CANNOT be justified in any way whatsoever. I am a fervent anti-Iraq war person, yet I do not for one second belive that the UK's involvement in Iraq, somehow justifies these attacks. They do not.
It's not like me to write these posts, but after 9/11 people slated the Muslim community for (apparently) not condemning the attacks, so I feel obliged to voice my utter condemnation of these attacks.
Muslims DO NOT support acts such as this. We Live in the UK. WE are British, just like you and I.
Anyway, thats all for now folks, I can feel the anti Muslim hype in tomorrows press already, but all I can ask folk to do, is NOT to take things at face value at the moment, as we are living in an age of propoganda and spin.
Peace to you all, and may the deceased rest in peace.
It came as no suprise to me to hear that 'Islamic' groups were responsible for the attacks..at the time of writing this has not been made official, but I guess it will just be a matter of time before the blame is placed squarely at the door of the Muslims.
As a British Muslim, this causes me great concern on many levels, which I wont go into at this stage int too much depth.
IF, and I stress IF this attack was carried out by a group purporting to act in the name of Islam, then I would like to say, as a Muslim, that each and every Muslim I have spoken to today, has expressed a deep and sincere sense of OUTRAGE at these attacks. This is NOT an 'Islamic' act, it is an act of pure evil to attack innocents who have done nothing. Islam FORBIDS acts such as this, and only those who are warped and twisted believe that these are holy acts.
The attacks in London CANNOT be justified in any way whatsoever. I am a fervent anti-Iraq war person, yet I do not for one second belive that the UK's involvement in Iraq, somehow justifies these attacks. They do not.
It's not like me to write these posts, but after 9/11 people slated the Muslim community for (apparently) not condemning the attacks, so I feel obliged to voice my utter condemnation of these attacks.
Muslims DO NOT support acts such as this. We Live in the UK. WE are British, just like you and I.
Anyway, thats all for now folks, I can feel the anti Muslim hype in tomorrows press already, but all I can ask folk to do, is NOT to take things at face value at the moment, as we are living in an age of propoganda and spin.
Peace to you all, and may the deceased rest in peace.
07 July 2005, 07:52 PM
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feckin hell my bros u pi55ed me aff today
what happened today is sick and evil and nothing to do with islam, so u fecking put up a thread as if u yourself or muslims or us or we did it
**** sake
if bush or tony slaughter innocent kids , do christians go and apologise for it or for them being christians when it has nothing to do with islam and christianity for **** sake
of course we condemn it, so why apologise for something u didnt do
like tim grove said most know that only the c;unts with narrow minds suggest otherwise
what happened today is sick and evil and nothing to do with islam, so u fecking put up a thread as if u yourself or muslims or us or we did it
**** sake
if bush or tony slaughter innocent kids , do christians go and apologise for it or for them being christians when it has nothing to do with islam and christianity for **** sake
of course we condemn it, so why apologise for something u didnt do
like tim grove said most know that only the c;unts with narrow minds suggest otherwise
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prehaps you dont support it...
but why are the majority of the attacks carried out by muslims
but can you answer why most of these islamic groups always hide behind religion as a way to condone there actions??
allah will make you a martyr if they have holy wars???
now prehaps i,m wrong either these bods distort the teachings to suit there own means, or your holy book is a bible for terrorism ( it isnt i know)
if as the majority state allah is all loving want peace, where are these loonys getting the ideas from...
is i have said before
you cant have normal religion, for some reason it has to become fanatical why??
why do these islamic groups hate the west so much???
what is it we have done that is so fundamentaly wrong to them??
if allah is so divine and understanding where is the forgivness and equality...
M ??
but why are the majority of the attacks carried out by muslims
but can you answer why most of these islamic groups always hide behind religion as a way to condone there actions??
allah will make you a martyr if they have holy wars???
now prehaps i,m wrong either these bods distort the teachings to suit there own means, or your holy book is a bible for terrorism ( it isnt i know)
if as the majority state allah is all loving want peace, where are these loonys getting the ideas from...
is i have said before
you cant have normal religion, for some reason it has to become fanatical why??
why do these islamic groups hate the west so much???
what is it we have done that is so fundamentaly wrong to them??
if allah is so divine and understanding where is the forgivness and equality...
M ??
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I feel for you, honestly I do. It's going to be a hard few months for anyone who is muslim or "muslim looking".
No doubt the Sun and Star will headline tomorrow with something predictable like "Monsters" or "Pure Evil".
I can't see anything different happening to be honest with you, even the Guardian is printing stories which show Islam in a negative light today. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...522840,00.html
It's worth remembering though that the majority of this country are fair, educated people who will not be swayed by the ranting of a media agenda and will see this act for what it really is: a cowardly disgrace organised by ignorant fools who are only concerned with their own confused beliefs of what their religion means.
No doubt the Sun and Star will headline tomorrow with something predictable like "Monsters" or "Pure Evil".
I can't see anything different happening to be honest with you, even the Guardian is printing stories which show Islam in a negative light today. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...522840,00.htmlIt's worth remembering though that the majority of this country are fair, educated people who will not be swayed by the ranting of a media agenda and will see this act for what it really is: a cowardly disgrace organised by ignorant fools who are only concerned with their own confused beliefs of what their religion means.
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Every lunatic needs a reason - don't forget that the Spanish Inquisition was carried out in the name of religion (the Catholic Church) and let's not even mention The Crusades - in fact the vast majority of the worst attrocities in the history can be traced back to religion. Turboman makes a very valid point and it is not for us to tar everyone with the same brush because of their beliefs. If a few extremists choose to distort and interpret certain texts in a specific way, should all the followers of that relgion suffer?
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Thought this might brighten the mood on this thread, it was written by The Onion after the 9/11 attacks and it again rings true today.
God Angrily Clarifies 'Don't Kill' Rule
NEW YORK—Responding to recent events on Earth, God, the omniscient creator-deity worshipped by billions of followers of various faiths for more than 6,000 years, angrily clarified His longtime stance against humans killing each other Monday.
"Look, I don't know, maybe I haven't made myself completely clear, so for the record, here it is again," said the Lord, His divine face betraying visible emotion during a press conference near the site of the fallen Twin Towers. "Somehow, people keep coming up with the idea that I want them to kill their neighbor. Well, I don't. And to be honest, I'm really getting sick and tired of it. Get it straight. Not only do I not want anybody to kill anyone, but I specifically commanded you not to, in really simple terms that anybody ought to be able to understand."
Worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike, God said His name has been invoked countless times over the centuries as a reason to kill in what He called "an unending cycle of violence."
"I don't care how holy somebody claims to be," God said. "If a person tells you it's My will that they kill someone, they're wrong. Got it? I don't care what religion you are, or who you think your enemy is, here it is one more time: No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again."
The press conference came as a surprise to humankind, as God rarely intervenes in earthly affairs. As a matter of longstanding policy, He has traditionally left the task of interpreting His message and divine will to clerics, rabbis, priests, imams, and Biblical scholars. Theologians and laymen alike have been given the task of pondering His ineffable mysteries, deciding for themselves what to do as a matter of faith. His decision to manifest on the material plane was motivated by the deep sense of shock, outrage, and sorrow He felt over the Sept. 11 violence carried out in His name, and over its dire potential ramifications around the globe.
"I tried to put it in the simplest possible terms for you people, so you'd get it straight, because I thought it was pretty important," said God, called Yahweh and Allah respectively in the Judaic and Muslim traditions. "I guess I figured I'd left no real room for confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I get?"
"But somehow, it all gets twisted around and, next thing you know, somebody's spouting off some nonsense about, 'God says I have to kill this guy, God wants me to kill that guy, it's God's will,'" God continued. "It's not God's will, all right? News flash: 'God's will' equals 'Don't murder people.'"
Worse yet, many of the worst violators claim that their actions are justified by passages in the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.
"To be honest, there's some contradictory stuff in there, okay?" God said. "So I can see how it could be pretty misleading. I admit it—My bad. I did My best to inspire them, but a lot of imperfect human agents have misinterpreted My message over the millennia. Frankly, much of the material that got in there is dogmatic, doctrinal bull****. I turn My head for a second and, suddenly, all this stuff about homosexuality gets into Leviticus, and everybody thinks it's God's will to kill gays. It absolutely drives Me up the wall."
God praised the overwhelming majority of His Muslim followers as "wonderful, pious people," calling the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks rare exceptions.
"This whole medieval concept of the jihad, or holy war, had all but vanished from the Muslim world in, like, the 10th century, and with good reason," God said. "There's no such thing as a holy war, only unholy ones. The vast majority of Muslims in this world reject the murderous actions of these radical extremists, just like the vast majority of Christians in America are pissed off over those two bigots on The 700 Club."
Continued God, "Read the book: 'Allah is kind, Allah is beautiful, Allah is merciful.' It goes on and on that way, page after page. But, no, some ******** have to come along and revive this stupid holy-war crap just to further their own hateful agenda. So now, everybody thinks Muslims are all murderous barbarians. Thanks, Taliban: 1,000 years of pan-Islamic cultural progress down the drain."
God stressed that His remarks were not directed exclusively at Islamic extremists, but rather at anyone whose ideological zealotry overrides his or her ability to comprehend the core message of all world religions.
"I don't care what faith you are, everybody's been making this same mistake since the dawn of time," God said. "The Muslims massacre the Hindus, the Hindus massacre the Muslims. The Buddhists, everybody massacres the Buddhists. The Jews, don't even get me started on the hardline, right-wing, Meir Kahane-loving Israeli nationalists, man. And the Christians? You people believe in a Messiah who says, 'Turn the other cheek,' but you've been killing everybody you can get your hands on since the Crusades."
Growing increasingly wrathful, God continued: "Can't you people see? What are you, morons? There are a ton of different religious traditions out there, and different cultures worship Me in different ways. But the basic message is always the same: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shintoism... every religious belief system under the sun, they all say you're supposed to love your neighbors, folks! It's not that hard a concept to grasp."
"Why would you think I'd want anything else? Humans don't need religion or God as an excuse to kill each other—you've been doing that without any help from Me since you were freaking apes!" God said. "The whole point of believing in God is to have a higher standard of behavior. How obvious can you get?"
"I'm talking to all of you, here!" continued God, His voice rising to a shout. "Do you hear Me? I don't want you to kill anybody. I'm against it, across the board. How many times do I have to say it? Don't kill each other anymore—ever! I'm ******* serious!"
Upon completing His outburst, God fell silent, standing quietly at the podium for several moments. Then, witnesses reported, God's shoulders began to shake, and He wept.
God Angrily Clarifies 'Don't Kill' Rule
NEW YORK—Responding to recent events on Earth, God, the omniscient creator-deity worshipped by billions of followers of various faiths for more than 6,000 years, angrily clarified His longtime stance against humans killing each other Monday.
"Look, I don't know, maybe I haven't made myself completely clear, so for the record, here it is again," said the Lord, His divine face betraying visible emotion during a press conference near the site of the fallen Twin Towers. "Somehow, people keep coming up with the idea that I want them to kill their neighbor. Well, I don't. And to be honest, I'm really getting sick and tired of it. Get it straight. Not only do I not want anybody to kill anyone, but I specifically commanded you not to, in really simple terms that anybody ought to be able to understand."
Worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike, God said His name has been invoked countless times over the centuries as a reason to kill in what He called "an unending cycle of violence."
"I don't care how holy somebody claims to be," God said. "If a person tells you it's My will that they kill someone, they're wrong. Got it? I don't care what religion you are, or who you think your enemy is, here it is one more time: No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again."
The press conference came as a surprise to humankind, as God rarely intervenes in earthly affairs. As a matter of longstanding policy, He has traditionally left the task of interpreting His message and divine will to clerics, rabbis, priests, imams, and Biblical scholars. Theologians and laymen alike have been given the task of pondering His ineffable mysteries, deciding for themselves what to do as a matter of faith. His decision to manifest on the material plane was motivated by the deep sense of shock, outrage, and sorrow He felt over the Sept. 11 violence carried out in His name, and over its dire potential ramifications around the globe.
"I tried to put it in the simplest possible terms for you people, so you'd get it straight, because I thought it was pretty important," said God, called Yahweh and Allah respectively in the Judaic and Muslim traditions. "I guess I figured I'd left no real room for confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I get?"
"But somehow, it all gets twisted around and, next thing you know, somebody's spouting off some nonsense about, 'God says I have to kill this guy, God wants me to kill that guy, it's God's will,'" God continued. "It's not God's will, all right? News flash: 'God's will' equals 'Don't murder people.'"
Worse yet, many of the worst violators claim that their actions are justified by passages in the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.
"To be honest, there's some contradictory stuff in there, okay?" God said. "So I can see how it could be pretty misleading. I admit it—My bad. I did My best to inspire them, but a lot of imperfect human agents have misinterpreted My message over the millennia. Frankly, much of the material that got in there is dogmatic, doctrinal bull****. I turn My head for a second and, suddenly, all this stuff about homosexuality gets into Leviticus, and everybody thinks it's God's will to kill gays. It absolutely drives Me up the wall."
God praised the overwhelming majority of His Muslim followers as "wonderful, pious people," calling the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks rare exceptions.
"This whole medieval concept of the jihad, or holy war, had all but vanished from the Muslim world in, like, the 10th century, and with good reason," God said. "There's no such thing as a holy war, only unholy ones. The vast majority of Muslims in this world reject the murderous actions of these radical extremists, just like the vast majority of Christians in America are pissed off over those two bigots on The 700 Club."
Continued God, "Read the book: 'Allah is kind, Allah is beautiful, Allah is merciful.' It goes on and on that way, page after page. But, no, some ******** have to come along and revive this stupid holy-war crap just to further their own hateful agenda. So now, everybody thinks Muslims are all murderous barbarians. Thanks, Taliban: 1,000 years of pan-Islamic cultural progress down the drain."
God stressed that His remarks were not directed exclusively at Islamic extremists, but rather at anyone whose ideological zealotry overrides his or her ability to comprehend the core message of all world religions.
"I don't care what faith you are, everybody's been making this same mistake since the dawn of time," God said. "The Muslims massacre the Hindus, the Hindus massacre the Muslims. The Buddhists, everybody massacres the Buddhists. The Jews, don't even get me started on the hardline, right-wing, Meir Kahane-loving Israeli nationalists, man. And the Christians? You people believe in a Messiah who says, 'Turn the other cheek,' but you've been killing everybody you can get your hands on since the Crusades."
Growing increasingly wrathful, God continued: "Can't you people see? What are you, morons? There are a ton of different religious traditions out there, and different cultures worship Me in different ways. But the basic message is always the same: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shintoism... every religious belief system under the sun, they all say you're supposed to love your neighbors, folks! It's not that hard a concept to grasp."
"Why would you think I'd want anything else? Humans don't need religion or God as an excuse to kill each other—you've been doing that without any help from Me since you were freaking apes!" God said. "The whole point of believing in God is to have a higher standard of behavior. How obvious can you get?"
"I'm talking to all of you, here!" continued God, His voice rising to a shout. "Do you hear Me? I don't want you to kill anybody. I'm against it, across the board. How many times do I have to say it? Don't kill each other anymore—ever! I'm ******* serious!"
Upon completing His outburst, God fell silent, standing quietly at the podium for several moments. Then, witnesses reported, God's shoulders began to shake, and He wept.
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Originally Posted by Chris L
...in fact the vast majority of the worst attrocities in the history can be traced back to religion...
Not strictly true. It's more along the lines of " the vast majority of the worst attrocities in the history can be traced back to a personal agenda using religion as an excuse"
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Originally Posted by angrynorth
Thought this might brighten the mood on this thread, it was written by The Onion after the 9/11 attacks and it again rings true today.
NEW YORK—Responding to recent events on Earth, God, the omniscient creator-deity worshipped by billions of followers of various faiths for more than 6,000 years, angrily clarified His longtime stance against humans killing each other Monday.
"Look, I don't know, maybe I haven't made myself completely clear, so for the record, here it is again," said the Lord, His divine face betraying visible emotion during a press conference near the site of the fallen Twin Towers. "Somehow, people keep coming up with the idea that I want them to kill their neighbor. Well, I don't. And to be honest, I'm really getting sick and tired of it. Get it straight. Not only do I not want anybody to kill anyone, but I specifically commanded you not to, in really simple terms that anybody ought to be able to understand."
Worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike, God said His name has been invoked countless times over the centuries as a reason to kill in what He called "an unending cycle of violence."
"I don't care how holy somebody claims to be," God said. "If a person tells you it's My will that they kill someone, they're wrong. Got it? I don't care what religion you are, or who you think your enemy is, here it is one more time: No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again."
The press conference came as a surprise to humankind, as God rarely intervenes in earthly affairs. As a matter of longstanding policy, He has traditionally left the task of interpreting His message and divine will to clerics, rabbis, priests, imams, and Biblical scholars. Theologians and laymen alike have been given the task of pondering His ineffable mysteries, deciding for themselves what to do as a matter of faith. His decision to manifest on the material plane was motivated by the deep sense of shock, outrage, and sorrow He felt over the Sept. 11 violence carried out in His name, and over its dire potential ramifications around the globe.
"I tried to put it in the simplest possible terms for you people, so you'd get it straight, because I thought it was pretty important," said God, called Yahweh and Allah respectively in the Judaic and Muslim traditions. "I guess I figured I'd left no real room for confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I get?"
"But somehow, it all gets twisted around and, next thing you know, somebody's spouting off some nonsense about, 'God says I have to kill this guy, God wants me to kill that guy, it's God's will,'" God continued. "It's not God's will, all right? News flash: 'God's will' equals 'Don't murder people.'"
Worse yet, many of the worst violators claim that their actions are justified by passages in the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.
"To be honest, there's some contradictory stuff in there, okay?" God said. "So I can see how it could be pretty misleading. I admit it—My bad. I did My best to inspire them, but a lot of imperfect human agents have misinterpreted My message over the millennia. Frankly, much of the material that got in there is dogmatic, doctrinal bull****. I turn My head for a second and, suddenly, all this stuff about homosexuality gets into Leviticus, and everybody thinks it's God's will to kill gays. It absolutely drives Me up the wall."
God praised the overwhelming majority of His Muslim followers as "wonderful, pious people," calling the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks rare exceptions.
"This whole medieval concept of the jihad, or holy war, had all but vanished from the Muslim world in, like, the 10th century, and with good reason," God said. "There's no such thing as a holy war, only unholy ones. The vast majority of Muslims in this world reject the murderous actions of these radical extremists, just like the vast majority of Christians in America are pissed off over those two bigots on The 700 Club."
Continued God, "Read the book: 'Allah is kind, Allah is beautiful, Allah is merciful.' It goes on and on that way, page after page. But, no, some ******** have to come along and revive this stupid holy-war crap just to further their own hateful agenda. So now, everybody thinks Muslims are all murderous barbarians. Thanks, Taliban: 1,000 years of pan-Islamic cultural progress down the drain."
God stressed that His remarks were not directed exclusively at Islamic extremists, but rather at anyone whose ideological zealotry overrides his or her ability to comprehend the core message of all world religions.
"I don't care what faith you are, everybody's been making this same mistake since the dawn of time," God said. "The Muslims massacre the Hindus, the Hindus massacre the Muslims. The Buddhists, everybody massacres the Buddhists. The Jews, don't even get me started on the hardline, right-wing, Meir Kahane-loving Israeli nationalists, man. And the Christians? You people believe in a Messiah who says, 'Turn the other cheek,' but you've been killing everybody you can get your hands on since the Crusades."
Growing increasingly wrathful, God continued: "Can't you people see? What are you, morons? There are a ton of different religious traditions out there, and different cultures worship Me in different ways. But the basic message is always the same: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shintoism... every religious belief system under the sun, they all say you're supposed to love your neighbors, folks! It's not that hard a concept to grasp."
"Why would you think I'd want anything else? Humans don't need religion or God as an excuse to kill each other—you've been doing that without any help from Me since you were freaking apes!" God said. "The whole point of believing in God is to have a higher standard of behavior. How obvious can you get?"
"I'm talking to all of you, here!" continued God, His voice rising to a shout. "Do you hear Me? I don't want you to kill anybody. I'm against it, across the board. How many times do I have to say it? Don't kill each other anymore—ever! I'm ******* serious!"
Upon completing His outburst, God fell silent, standing quietly at the podium for several moments. Then, witnesses reported, God's shoulders began to shake, and He wept.
NEW YORK—Responding to recent events on Earth, God, the omniscient creator-deity worshipped by billions of followers of various faiths for more than 6,000 years, angrily clarified His longtime stance against humans killing each other Monday.
"Look, I don't know, maybe I haven't made myself completely clear, so for the record, here it is again," said the Lord, His divine face betraying visible emotion during a press conference near the site of the fallen Twin Towers. "Somehow, people keep coming up with the idea that I want them to kill their neighbor. Well, I don't. And to be honest, I'm really getting sick and tired of it. Get it straight. Not only do I not want anybody to kill anyone, but I specifically commanded you not to, in really simple terms that anybody ought to be able to understand."
Worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike, God said His name has been invoked countless times over the centuries as a reason to kill in what He called "an unending cycle of violence."
"I don't care how holy somebody claims to be," God said. "If a person tells you it's My will that they kill someone, they're wrong. Got it? I don't care what religion you are, or who you think your enemy is, here it is one more time: No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again."
The press conference came as a surprise to humankind, as God rarely intervenes in earthly affairs. As a matter of longstanding policy, He has traditionally left the task of interpreting His message and divine will to clerics, rabbis, priests, imams, and Biblical scholars. Theologians and laymen alike have been given the task of pondering His ineffable mysteries, deciding for themselves what to do as a matter of faith. His decision to manifest on the material plane was motivated by the deep sense of shock, outrage, and sorrow He felt over the Sept. 11 violence carried out in His name, and over its dire potential ramifications around the globe.
"I tried to put it in the simplest possible terms for you people, so you'd get it straight, because I thought it was pretty important," said God, called Yahweh and Allah respectively in the Judaic and Muslim traditions. "I guess I figured I'd left no real room for confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I get?"
"But somehow, it all gets twisted around and, next thing you know, somebody's spouting off some nonsense about, 'God says I have to kill this guy, God wants me to kill that guy, it's God's will,'" God continued. "It's not God's will, all right? News flash: 'God's will' equals 'Don't murder people.'"
Worse yet, many of the worst violators claim that their actions are justified by passages in the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.
"To be honest, there's some contradictory stuff in there, okay?" God said. "So I can see how it could be pretty misleading. I admit it—My bad. I did My best to inspire them, but a lot of imperfect human agents have misinterpreted My message over the millennia. Frankly, much of the material that got in there is dogmatic, doctrinal bull****. I turn My head for a second and, suddenly, all this stuff about homosexuality gets into Leviticus, and everybody thinks it's God's will to kill gays. It absolutely drives Me up the wall."
God praised the overwhelming majority of His Muslim followers as "wonderful, pious people," calling the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks rare exceptions.
"This whole medieval concept of the jihad, or holy war, had all but vanished from the Muslim world in, like, the 10th century, and with good reason," God said. "There's no such thing as a holy war, only unholy ones. The vast majority of Muslims in this world reject the murderous actions of these radical extremists, just like the vast majority of Christians in America are pissed off over those two bigots on The 700 Club."
Continued God, "Read the book: 'Allah is kind, Allah is beautiful, Allah is merciful.' It goes on and on that way, page after page. But, no, some ******** have to come along and revive this stupid holy-war crap just to further their own hateful agenda. So now, everybody thinks Muslims are all murderous barbarians. Thanks, Taliban: 1,000 years of pan-Islamic cultural progress down the drain."
God stressed that His remarks were not directed exclusively at Islamic extremists, but rather at anyone whose ideological zealotry overrides his or her ability to comprehend the core message of all world religions.
"I don't care what faith you are, everybody's been making this same mistake since the dawn of time," God said. "The Muslims massacre the Hindus, the Hindus massacre the Muslims. The Buddhists, everybody massacres the Buddhists. The Jews, don't even get me started on the hardline, right-wing, Meir Kahane-loving Israeli nationalists, man. And the Christians? You people believe in a Messiah who says, 'Turn the other cheek,' but you've been killing everybody you can get your hands on since the Crusades."
Growing increasingly wrathful, God continued: "Can't you people see? What are you, morons? There are a ton of different religious traditions out there, and different cultures worship Me in different ways. But the basic message is always the same: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shintoism... every religious belief system under the sun, they all say you're supposed to love your neighbors, folks! It's not that hard a concept to grasp."
"Why would you think I'd want anything else? Humans don't need religion or God as an excuse to kill each other—you've been doing that without any help from Me since you were freaking apes!" God said. "The whole point of believing in God is to have a higher standard of behavior. How obvious can you get?"
"I'm talking to all of you, here!" continued God, His voice rising to a shout. "Do you hear Me? I don't want you to kill anybody. I'm against it, across the board. How many times do I have to say it? Don't kill each other anymore—ever! I'm ******* serious!"
Upon completing His outburst, God fell silent, standing quietly at the podium for several moments. Then, witnesses reported, God's shoulders began to shake, and He wept.
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Well written Turboman and an interesting & poinient read.
Moses, i think you missed the point, it was not an apology or an admission on behalf of Muslims more pointing out the sad ***** who hide behind religion (in this case Muslim) to commit horrendous acts in its name. This goes on in just about every religion know to man.
No-one in their right mind will condem a whole religion based on the actions of this.
All imho
Moses, i think you missed the point, it was not an apology or an admission on behalf of Muslims more pointing out the sad ***** who hide behind religion (in this case Muslim) to commit horrendous acts in its name. This goes on in just about every religion know to man.
No-one in their right mind will condem a whole religion based on the actions of this.
All imho
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Originally Posted by Chris L
Every lunatic needs a reason - don't forget that the Spanish Inquisition was carried out in the name of religion (the Catholic Church) and let's not even mention The Crusades - in fact the vast majority of the worst attrocities in the history can be traced back to religion. Turboman makes a very valid point and it is not for us to tar everyone with the same brush because of their beliefs. If a few extremists choose to distort and interpret certain texts in a specific way, should all the followers of that relgion suffer?
thanks chris
past wars were for wealth and taking over lands as u know the popes and vatican became richer and used religion and so did the kings for their wars
it was never to do with religion
u know the crusade war it was started by pope urban to unite the christians and instead of killing each other kill muslims instead
and angrynorth , mate its like me saying why r all the worlds problems started by the whites and their colonial minds and imperialistic genes
muslims dont start the wars, their enemies do by supporting oppression and slaughtering them
muslim nations r only 50 yrs old they been occupied for hundreds of yrs by christian whites etc
when they try to get back on their feet , the west put up their puppet regimes in their countries to oppress them and give the west good business and control
what is the muslim war, palestinian, chechyna, afghanistan, iraq etc etc
u know what im talking about , west turns a blind eye when it suits them and only go and fight a war when it involves wealth or oil, or something they can make money out of
bosnia no one came to their help and when it happened in kosova they were forced too, coz they didnt take action the first time, worlds eye's were on them.
thats why some muslims have happened to take the extreme way, as u know zarqawis ideology he thinks its ok to kill muslims too in iraq coz they do nothing about occupation and supporting the corrupt regime
just today they killed the egyptian ambassador to iraq a fellow muslim
in america the aryan nations called themselves very religious
and go and kill or bomb ******* and jews so they call them
and plot to kill zogs aka zionist organisations
nothing to do with religion except sick minds
who is supporting israeli terror the born again bible belt in the usa and zionist jews and christian lobby, is it really to with the religion, i dont think so
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Well written Turboman and an interesting & poinient read.
Moses, i think you missed the point, it was not an apology or an admission on behalf of Muslims more pointing out the sad ***** who hide behind religion (in this case Muslim) to commit horrendous acts in its name. This goes on in just about every religion know to man.
No-one in their right mind will condem a whole religion based on the actions of this.
All imho
Moses, i think you missed the point, it was not an apology or an admission on behalf of Muslims more pointing out the sad ***** who hide behind religion (in this case Muslim) to commit horrendous acts in its name. This goes on in just about every religion know to man.
No-one in their right mind will condem a whole religion based on the actions of this.
All imho
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so why the **** should we
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and angrynorth , mate its like me saying why r all the worlds problems started by the whites and their colonial minds and imperialistic genes
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nice post turboman...im from a muslim family myself...though Im not very religious
I felt sick when I heard this
I hope muslims are very vocal and also very practical in their condemnation
We need to infiltrate these mther****ers and get them out of this country
I am of the opinion, that if they dont like this country, they should **** OFF
Ill happily pay toward their airfares
*******s
they are making our lives harder.
I felt sick when I heard this
I hope muslims are very vocal and also very practical in their condemnation
We need to infiltrate these mther****ers and get them out of this country
I am of the opinion, that if they dont like this country, they should **** OFF
Ill happily pay toward their airfares
*******s
they are making our lives harder.
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Shouldn't have to, accept for trying to distance oneself from the lunatics for fear of reprisals in the street as I see it. The innocent Muslims are going to have a rough ride from some.
yes they will and they will need to resist and show resistance and give back what they get
angrynorth i thought u did ask why they attack the west, i will read it again
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Just to start I am a Muislim living in the UK.
The devils that did this are the lowest of the low for which true Islaam totally rejects. Every life is precious Muslim, Non-Muslim, Western, Non- Western, men, women and children. To even harm an innocent life with injusrtice is despicable let alone the kind of things that happened today and have happened.
Mart 360
1. "but why are the majority of the attacks carried out by muslims"
Its is just a stage in history when the evil people who attribute themselves to Islaam are doing so... not that long ago it was ETA in Spain, the IRA, Loyalist Paramilitaries, Timothy Mcveigh. Most Christians would reject what they do as do we (as Muslims).
2. "but can you answer why most of these islamic groups always hide behind religion as a way to condone there actions??"
That no doubt is incorrect...but many religious groups do that. Bush and his war on terror justifies anything, anywhere, anyhow. Israeli Jews use religious right to do what they do. Timothy Mcveigh stated "Collateral damage..." IRA used religion as a justification as well.
3. "allah will make you a martyr if they have holy wars???"
This is no holy war all "Non-Combatant". Army against army maybe but not this!!! It is not also as simple as lets declare war agianst Non-Muslims there are many factors involved.
4. "now prehaps i,m wrong either these bods distort the teachings to suit there own means, or your holy book is a bible for terrorism ( it isnt i know)"
These scum certainly do distort to their own evil ends (and I pray that they meet a very evil end). The Qur'aan is full of verses regarding taking care of the orphan, parents and Muslims and Non-Muslim. To help people as much as you can so that they can see the goodness in Muslims etc.
5. "if as the majority state allah is all loving want peace, where are these loonys getting the ideas from..."
Like the rest of the murderers, rapists, paedophiles, women/children batterers from their own evil, sick despicable minds...and from satan (May Allaah Curse them and him).
6. "you cant have normal religion, for some reason it has to become fanatical why??"
Listen...I am a practising Muslim I have a beard and wear Islaamic clothing, I pray at my local Mosque that I help run, I also work in Healthcare...people look at me and may think I am a Fanatic but when I talk to them they get a completely different picture. They realise I am just like the...I chill with my patients and have a real nice time with them...I do not see them as Non-Muslim (if that patient is a Non-Muslim) I look at them as human beings who's life, honour and property is sacred.
7. "why do these islamic groups hate the west so much???"
Right if you are Muslim and in the West and hate it...get out...simple as that. I wouldn't say hate the West but maybe hate some of its traits. I do not hate the West. I swear that some of the most honourable, good people I have ever met have been Non-Muslims and Westerners. My work colleagues, the Nurses I have worked with and Managers etc. My current Manager Julia is one of the most honest, trustworthy, kind and considerate people I have ever had the honour to work with. She is a practising Christian.
8. "if allah is so divine and understanding where is the forgivness and equality..."
Allaah is the Arabic word derived from the word 'Al-Ilah' which means the Sole Creator, Provider and Sustainer of the Heavens and the earth and evrything within then. He was not born nor does he give birth and He is the One Who truly deserves to be worshipped Alone.
Allaah is the Most High and Just...Equality is not the word I would use I would say more like justice.
I hope that these simplistic and short answers have helped a bit. No cheekiness, sarcasm or rudeness intended by my statements I just wanted you to get some answers to your questions.
Aaquil.
The devils that did this are the lowest of the low for which true Islaam totally rejects. Every life is precious Muslim, Non-Muslim, Western, Non- Western, men, women and children. To even harm an innocent life with injusrtice is despicable let alone the kind of things that happened today and have happened.
Mart 360
1. "but why are the majority of the attacks carried out by muslims"
Its is just a stage in history when the evil people who attribute themselves to Islaam are doing so... not that long ago it was ETA in Spain, the IRA, Loyalist Paramilitaries, Timothy Mcveigh. Most Christians would reject what they do as do we (as Muslims).
2. "but can you answer why most of these islamic groups always hide behind religion as a way to condone there actions??"
That no doubt is incorrect...but many religious groups do that. Bush and his war on terror justifies anything, anywhere, anyhow. Israeli Jews use religious right to do what they do. Timothy Mcveigh stated "Collateral damage..." IRA used religion as a justification as well.
3. "allah will make you a martyr if they have holy wars???"
This is no holy war all "Non-Combatant". Army against army maybe but not this!!! It is not also as simple as lets declare war agianst Non-Muslims there are many factors involved.
4. "now prehaps i,m wrong either these bods distort the teachings to suit there own means, or your holy book is a bible for terrorism ( it isnt i know)"
These scum certainly do distort to their own evil ends (and I pray that they meet a very evil end). The Qur'aan is full of verses regarding taking care of the orphan, parents and Muslims and Non-Muslim. To help people as much as you can so that they can see the goodness in Muslims etc.
5. "if as the majority state allah is all loving want peace, where are these loonys getting the ideas from..."
Like the rest of the murderers, rapists, paedophiles, women/children batterers from their own evil, sick despicable minds...and from satan (May Allaah Curse them and him).
6. "you cant have normal religion, for some reason it has to become fanatical why??"
Listen...I am a practising Muslim I have a beard and wear Islaamic clothing, I pray at my local Mosque that I help run, I also work in Healthcare...people look at me and may think I am a Fanatic but when I talk to them they get a completely different picture. They realise I am just like the...I chill with my patients and have a real nice time with them...I do not see them as Non-Muslim (if that patient is a Non-Muslim) I look at them as human beings who's life, honour and property is sacred.
7. "why do these islamic groups hate the west so much???"
Right if you are Muslim and in the West and hate it...get out...simple as that. I wouldn't say hate the West but maybe hate some of its traits. I do not hate the West. I swear that some of the most honourable, good people I have ever met have been Non-Muslims and Westerners. My work colleagues, the Nurses I have worked with and Managers etc. My current Manager Julia is one of the most honest, trustworthy, kind and considerate people I have ever had the honour to work with. She is a practising Christian.
8. "if allah is so divine and understanding where is the forgivness and equality..."
Allaah is the Arabic word derived from the word 'Al-Ilah' which means the Sole Creator, Provider and Sustainer of the Heavens and the earth and evrything within then. He was not born nor does he give birth and He is the One Who truly deserves to be worshipped Alone.
Allaah is the Most High and Just...Equality is not the word I would use I would say more like justice.
I hope that these simplistic and short answers have helped a bit. No cheekiness, sarcasm or rudeness intended by my statements I just wanted you to get some answers to your questions.
Aaquil.
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Originally Posted by Aaquil
Just to start I am a Muislim living in the UK.
The devils that did this are the lowest of the low for which true Islaam totally rejects. Every life is precious Muslim, Non-Muslim, Western, Non- Western, men, women and children. To even harm an innocent life with injusrtice is despicable let alone the kind of things that happened today and have happened.
Mart 360
1. "but why are the majority of the attacks carried out by muslims"
Its is just a stage in history when the evil people who attribute themselves to Islaam are doing so... not that long ago it was ETA in Spain, the IRA, Loyalist Paramilitaries, Timothy Mcveigh. Most Christians would reject what they do as do we (as Muslims).
2. "but can you answer why most of these islamic groups always hide behind religion as a way to condone there actions??"
That no doubt is incorrect...but many religious groups do that. Bush and his war on terror justifies anything, anywhere, anyhow. Israeli Jews use religious right to do what they do. Timothy Mcveigh stated "Collateral damage..." IRA used religion as a justification as well.
3. "allah will make you a martyr if they have holy wars???"
This is no holy war all "Non-Combatant". Army against army maybe but not this!!! It is not also as simple as lets declare war agianst Non-Muslims there are many factors involved.
4. "now prehaps i,m wrong either these bods distort the teachings to suit there own means, or your holy book is a bible for terrorism ( it isnt i know)"
These scum certainly do distort to their own evil ends (and I pray that they meet a very evil end). The Qur'aan is full of verses regarding taking care of the orphan, parents and Muslims and Non-Muslim. To help people as much as you can so that they can see the goodness in Muslims etc.
5. "if as the majority state allah is all loving want peace, where are these loonys getting the ideas from..."
Like the rest of the murderers, rapists, paedophiles, women/children batterers from their own evil, sick despicable minds...and from satan (May Allaah Curse them and him).
6. "you cant have normal religion, for some reason it has to become fanatical why??"
Listen...I am a practising Muslim I have a beard and wear Islaamic clothing, I pray at my local Mosque that I help run, I also work in Healthcare...people look at me and may think I am a Fanatic but when I talk to them they get a completely different picture. They realise I am just like the...I chill with my patients and have a real nice time with them...I do not see them as Non-Muslim (if that patient is a Non-Muslim) I look at them as human beings who's life, honour and property is sacred.
7. "why do these islamic groups hate the west so much???"
Right if you are Muslim and in the West and hate it...get out...simple as that. I wouldn't say hate the West but maybe hate some of its traits. I do not hate the West. I swear that some of the most honourable, good people I have ever met have been Non-Muslims and Westerners. My work colleagues, the Nurses I have worked with and Managers etc. My current Manager Julia is one of the most honest, trustworthy, kind and considerate people I have ever had the honour to work with. She is a practising Christian.
8. "if allah is so divine and understanding where is the forgivness and equality..."
Allaah is the Arabic word derived from the word 'Al-Ilah' which means the Sole Creator, Provider and Sustainer of the Heavens and the earth and evrything within then. He was not born nor does he give birth and He is the One Who truly deserves to be worshipped Alone.
Allaah is the Most High and Just...Equality is not the word I would use I would say more like justice.
I hope that these simplistic and short answers have helped a bit. No cheekiness, sarcasm or rudeness intended by my statements I just wanted you to get some answers to your questions.
Aaquil.
The devils that did this are the lowest of the low for which true Islaam totally rejects. Every life is precious Muslim, Non-Muslim, Western, Non- Western, men, women and children. To even harm an innocent life with injusrtice is despicable let alone the kind of things that happened today and have happened.
Mart 360
1. "but why are the majority of the attacks carried out by muslims"
Its is just a stage in history when the evil people who attribute themselves to Islaam are doing so... not that long ago it was ETA in Spain, the IRA, Loyalist Paramilitaries, Timothy Mcveigh. Most Christians would reject what they do as do we (as Muslims).
2. "but can you answer why most of these islamic groups always hide behind religion as a way to condone there actions??"
That no doubt is incorrect...but many religious groups do that. Bush and his war on terror justifies anything, anywhere, anyhow. Israeli Jews use religious right to do what they do. Timothy Mcveigh stated "Collateral damage..." IRA used religion as a justification as well.
3. "allah will make you a martyr if they have holy wars???"
This is no holy war all "Non-Combatant". Army against army maybe but not this!!! It is not also as simple as lets declare war agianst Non-Muslims there are many factors involved.
4. "now prehaps i,m wrong either these bods distort the teachings to suit there own means, or your holy book is a bible for terrorism ( it isnt i know)"
These scum certainly do distort to their own evil ends (and I pray that they meet a very evil end). The Qur'aan is full of verses regarding taking care of the orphan, parents and Muslims and Non-Muslim. To help people as much as you can so that they can see the goodness in Muslims etc.
5. "if as the majority state allah is all loving want peace, where are these loonys getting the ideas from..."
Like the rest of the murderers, rapists, paedophiles, women/children batterers from their own evil, sick despicable minds...and from satan (May Allaah Curse them and him).
6. "you cant have normal religion, for some reason it has to become fanatical why??"
Listen...I am a practising Muslim I have a beard and wear Islaamic clothing, I pray at my local Mosque that I help run, I also work in Healthcare...people look at me and may think I am a Fanatic but when I talk to them they get a completely different picture. They realise I am just like the...I chill with my patients and have a real nice time with them...I do not see them as Non-Muslim (if that patient is a Non-Muslim) I look at them as human beings who's life, honour and property is sacred.
7. "why do these islamic groups hate the west so much???"
Right if you are Muslim and in the West and hate it...get out...simple as that. I wouldn't say hate the West but maybe hate some of its traits. I do not hate the West. I swear that some of the most honourable, good people I have ever met have been Non-Muslims and Westerners. My work colleagues, the Nurses I have worked with and Managers etc. My current Manager Julia is one of the most honest, trustworthy, kind and considerate people I have ever had the honour to work with. She is a practising Christian.
8. "if allah is so divine and understanding where is the forgivness and equality..."
Allaah is the Arabic word derived from the word 'Al-Ilah' which means the Sole Creator, Provider and Sustainer of the Heavens and the earth and evrything within then. He was not born nor does he give birth and He is the One Who truly deserves to be worshipped Alone.
Allaah is the Most High and Just...Equality is not the word I would use I would say more like justice.
I hope that these simplistic and short answers have helped a bit. No cheekiness, sarcasm or rudeness intended by my statements I just wanted you to get some answers to your questions.
Aaquil.
nice post bros
one more thing i need to add
in the quran their is no such word as HOLY WAR, its something the christians used to use in the time of the crusades and also the orientialists aka anti muslims in their books used to use holy war and the muslims r so fecking thick they started using it to
Allah says fight in the way of Allah and later when im at home and free
i will post u the art of war and rules some of them anyway and holy war aint in it
it says fight those who fight u and persecute u and fight them till their is persecution or oppression etc etc
fight in the name of Allah with those who persecuted u from your homes and dont go to extremes etc
i will post it later bros aaquail will help he has cool words than me, im a just a scot with glaswegian english
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OK then. Anybody care to speculate where this entire situation will end? Not just today's atrocities, but in general.
Can we really have a peace? IMHO, I'm not so sure. Even if we get rid of ALL the lunatics and fanatics (including the ones from the West), surely others will rise to replace them..........
Anybody care to speculate?
Dan (father of two - just a little saddened for their future)
Can we really have a peace? IMHO, I'm not so sure. Even if we get rid of ALL the lunatics and fanatics (including the ones from the West), surely others will rise to replace them..........
Anybody care to speculate?
Dan (father of two - just a little saddened for their future)
07 July 2005, 09:30 PM
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nice post turboman...im from a muslim family myself...though Im not very religious
I felt sick when I heard this
I hope muslims are very vocal and also very practical in their condemnation
We need to infiltrate these mther****ers and get them out of this country
I am of the opinion, that if they dont like this country, they should **** OFF
Ill happily pay toward their airfares
*******s
they are making our lives harder.
I felt sick when I heard this
I hope muslims are very vocal and also very practical in their condemnation
We need to infiltrate these mther****ers and get them out of this country
I am of the opinion, that if they dont like this country, they should **** OFF
Ill happily pay toward their airfares
*******s
they are making our lives harder.
They make the lives of all dark-skinned people harder.
Peace to us all!
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'Religion' gets blamed for so many things that are actually political. I'll admit I haven't searched all the darkest corners of the net, but I'm pretty sure none of the main religions have a commandment along the lines of "Go out and kill people".
The muslim faith is a peaceful faith. Just like the christian faith that gets blamed for Norther Ireland, KKK etc.
I know I'm a hippy drop out, but is Love One Another such a bad idea?
The muslim faith is a peaceful faith. Just like the christian faith that gets blamed for Norther Ireland, KKK etc.
I know I'm a hippy drop out, but is Love One Another such a bad idea?
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Interesting post Turboman, and I do feel sorry for Asians living in the UK who are just as against these attacks as the majority. I work in IT, and was working on a construction site today, and there were many strong views expressed by contractors on the site regarding "foreigners" living in the UK that you would not have liked to hear.
When things like this happen however, the typical Muslim reaction seems to be like that of Moses - a short condemnation of the event, followed a shifting of the blame - usually onto Americans/Christians who "forced" these Muslims into carrying out the attacks
- nice to see you are able to distance yourself from these events without going down this route Turboman.
When things like this happen however, the typical Muslim reaction seems to be like that of Moses - a short condemnation of the event, followed a shifting of the blame - usually onto Americans/Christians who "forced" these Muslims into carrying out the attacks
- nice to see you are able to distance yourself from these events without going down this route Turboman.
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Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo555
OK then. Anybody care to speculate where this entire situation will end? Not just today's atrocities, but in general.
Can we really have a peace? IMHO, I'm not so sure. Even if we get rid of ALL the lunatics and fanatics (including the ones from the West), surely others will rise to replace them..........
Anybody care to speculate?
Dan (father of two - just a little saddened for their future)
Can we really have a peace? IMHO, I'm not so sure. Even if we get rid of ALL the lunatics and fanatics (including the ones from the West), surely others will rise to replace them..........
Anybody care to speculate?
Dan (father of two - just a little saddened for their future)
i agree with u, its sad im a father myself when u have kids your anti war and anti anything that harms kids and their parents and civilians, it hurts more when u have kids yourself, it could have been us even going to london for hols with our lil ones and getting on with our business, it sickens me.
and i was saying earlier im back home now
i found this article its a lil short but will post other ones
http://www.islamfortoday.com/war.htm
let me add if true muslims which we arent, truly abide by the law , God will be with them, they were most successful when they abided by Gods law when they turned away God punished them like he did to the jews and God warns muslims not to do what jews did and we shall be punished like them, they were the original muslims.
15. O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them.
16. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!
17. It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah. when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah.s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself: for Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).
18. That, and also because Allah is He Who makes feeble the plans and stratagem of the Unbelievers.
19. (O Unbelievers!) if ye prayed for victory and judgment, now hath the judgment come to you: if ye desist (from wrong), it will be best for you: if ye return (to the attack), so shall We. Not the least good will your forces be to you even if they were multiplied: for verily Allah is with those who believe!
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36. The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;-
37. In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost.
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39. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
40. If they refuse, be sure that Allah is your Protector - the best to protect and the best to help.
Gods booty and the prophets was for the poor as well and to be given to the needy
41. And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.
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this is true as some of u may know, muslims were a handful against all of arab pagans and won and also the ottomon jannieseries all the other ottomon turkish soldiers ran away the cowards coz their were too many christian armies all around but the janniesiers stayed firm and slaughter the christians who were 10 times fold its in the library and history books and documentary, jannieseries were white muslims its their ancestors now in bonsia, albania and kosova.
60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
61. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
62. Should they intend to deceive thee,- verily Allah sufficeth thee: He it is That hath strengthened thee with His aid and with (the company of) the Believers;
63. And (moreover) He hath put affection between their hearts: not if thou hadst spent all that is in the earth, couldst thou have produced that affection, but Allah hath done it: for He is Exalted in might, Wise.
64. O Messenger. sufficient unto thee is Allah,- (unto thee) and unto those who follow thee among the Believers.
65. O Messenger. rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
66. For the present, Allah hath lightened your (task), for He knoweth that there is a weak spot in you: But (even so), if there are a hundred of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred, and if a thousand, they will vanquish two thousand, with the leave of Allah. for Allah is with those who patiently persevere.
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this was in the time of the war
4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
7. How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.
8. How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.
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13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
14. Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
15. And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
i will post some more
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theirs actually an art of war book i cant find it
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Strange thing happened today, was walking through town around 6.45-8pm and a bunch of cabby drivers were sat haveing a natter at the local pick up point
Anyway walked up to the lads and asked for a lift and no one wanted to take me..they all said they were off duty....at 6.45 rush hour???
As i carried on walking, i turned back to see passangers getting in to one of the cabs.....yes they were all white and all looked at me as if i had shagged their mrs!!
I THINK THINGS ARE GOING TO GET VIOLENT!!
Anyway walked up to the lads and asked for a lift and no one wanted to take me..they all said they were off duty....at 6.45 rush hour???
As i carried on walking, i turned back to see passangers getting in to one of the cabs.....yes they were all white and all looked at me as if i had shagged their mrs!!
I THINK THINGS ARE GOING TO GET VIOLENT!!