KiwiGTI

Something seriously wrong with a society that can produce kids capable of this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4599005.stm

Lee247

Poor little kid, what's that going to do to his mind. I hope the little sh*ts develop something really nasty for doing that to a 5 year old. sick

TheBigMan

"Ligature" marks??

I'm unfamiliar with that word??

mart360

for ligature read Noose!!!!!


sad to say it dosent surprise me.. we have clear signs that society is starting to break down...

and what does your estemeed leader say..

"there is nothing more we can do"

well thank you for selling us down the river and eroding what values and standards we once had

prehaps if we had a judicial sytem that could and would actually punish these offenders we might get some where


hang on just thought

"partnership!! alert on"
if we can save one life its worth it...
"partnership!! alert off"

speed cams in all parks that will resolve everything


really feel for the little person involved...

sad to say the only way out of this crap we are in is when someone high profile suffers a personall tragidy


M

lawson101

Im absolutely appalled by the actions of these children, I hope that they all get what they deserve.

sad to think that this could happen anywhere in 'Great' Britain.

Cyberevo

iTrader: (1)

It's sick, they will probably get a slap on the wrists, a 5 yr old for god sake, how can anyone do that....

pslewis

Not quite sure how the government are responsible for the way children are brought up??

Its the parents that are the role models, and sadly, they are the products of the grab, grab, grab Tory Britain of years gone by ...............

The parents need hanging!

Pete

Terminator X

iTrader: (7)

All.

I'm also staggered by this. I have a 4 year old son and it's getting close to the point where I'm worried to let him out of my sight. This is probably also bad as he can't gain his independance if I'm always watching him ...

Out of interest, can 12 year olds be tried for attempted murder? Aren't they too young?

X.

Markus

Info on "Age of Criminal Responsibility"

"Age of criminal responsibility

When you reached the age of 10 you probably didn't realise you had reached the age of criminal responsibility. Until the age of 10 the law says that you cannot be held responsible for a crime.

Between the ages of 10 and 14 you can be convicted of a criminal offence if the prosecution can show you were aware that what you were doing was seriously wrong. For example, the case of Jamie Bulger, who was killed by two 10 year olds, was based on this principle. The prosecution showed that the two boys knew that what they were doing was seriously wrong and they were given prison sentences.

After the age of 14 the law considers you are fully responsible for your actions in the same way as an adult. As such you will be treated as an adult in a court of law in terms of criminal responsibility (although not in terms of sentencing)."


This is a shocking thing to happen, the kids doing this really need teaching that this is in no way normal and that they are going to be punished in the same way an adult would be, oh, hang on, that means a nice comfy cell, at our expense. hmm.

Time to start a british Gulag or two, or ship people to a russian gulag, might sort them out, or kill them in the process, which would be such a shame (can you smell the sarcasm there? lol)

Bubba po

Children who perform violent and abusive acts tend to come from violent, abusive backgrounds. The parents AND the society are to blame. Some African societies with very old-fashioned morality say it takes a whole village to bring up a child.

GC8

I cant help but wonder why a five year old child was allowed out un-supervised in the first place?

Bubba po

A five-year old child SHOULD be able to be out unsupervised by its parents. Don't talk to me about the danger of roads; the convenience of motorists, driven by commerce, is held above child safety. The proliferation of pornography corrupts everyone who comes into contact with it; the responsibility of care of EACH OTHER is a forgotten duty. When did you last do anything for a stranger unasked?

KiwiGTI

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The Zohan

I hope the five y/o is ok!

I recon it is all of the above

The parents mostly though.

However at 10 i am sure i knew that trying to hang a kid was WRONG!
There is something WRONG with these kids!

Kids can and do get away with too much, no punishments for misbehaving and often parents who do not give a to$$.

Government can help by giving back the ability to punish kids other than a 'you naughty boy/girl' if required.

Parents made to take responsibility and prison an option if not, kids in care if required. As i have said before we are into 2-3rd generations of ****e parents, parents who do not work, live off of the state have low morals and values - No education of their own, steal and cheat to get by. Hardly role models. This is one area this govenrment can help.

We, the decent tax paying people of this land who's only crimes are likely to be 5mph over the limit are going to be in the minority one day and when that happens this country will fail and we will all be fecked unless things are done.

I am sure this sort of thing happened 10-20 years ago but that does not make it OK, things should be better.

Less PC touchy feely cr@p crap and more responsibility!

Scooby Snacks 23

I too was brought up knowing the difference between right and wrong. If you did wrong, you got a whack (belt accross the back of the legs for me) and you learnt not to do it again. It does make you a better person. I therefore completely agree with Brazo2zero's comments.

I was absolutely sickened by hearing the news yesterday, and having an 8mth old son myself, it just makes me wonder what kind of world I've brought him in to.

I hope those involved rot in hell

Brendan Hughes

I expect the 12 year old girls will plead diminished responsibility, as they were pregnant at the time.

Leslie

This is a dreadful tale, looks like it was building up to another James Bulger case!

These children are well old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. They would have known they were doing something really bad. They deserve a swingeing punishment for this.

However, the initial fault lies with their parents who for whatever reason have allowed their children to grow into monsters.

The Government is indirectly to blame too for encouraging people to have children out of wedlock so that they have to live in a bad family atmosphere when the parents split up. The children lose the balancing effect effect of two parents bringing them up and too often the parents are also grossly incompetent because of their own upbringing. The parents take no responsibility for educating their children in a disciplined manner.

I believe that the government should encourage people to make a proper commitment through marriage to their partner and more importantly to any children of the marriage.

Parents should also be made financially responisble for any damage done by their own children before they reach the age of majority. That might concentrate their minds on bringing up their children correctly.

If the government persists in throwing up their hands and ducking responsibility, this country will deteriorate into uncontrollable anarchy and "no go areas".

Les

GC8

I dont disagree with you Bob, but in 2005 I wouldnt leave a five year old in the garden unless I could keep my eye on them, never mind a park or street.

In answer to your question; this morning, when I helped a woman carry a buggy up a small flight of steps. It doesnt take much does it? Perhaps it was the way that I was brought up; maybe it was because I was 'brought up'?

Simon

^Qwerty^

I said in the office this morning, "maybe we should send them all on holiday so that they learn there is good in the world and that hanging little children is wrong.", in a cynical manor.

Somebody shouted out, "shut up you Tory *******"

What a strange response

Brendan Hughes

That's because Tories usually live in manors and can be quite cynical.

HTH

Spring Heeled Jack

There's murderers and rapists behind every bush. Be careful out there.....

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Made me feel sick, I have 3 kids, the youngest being six, we do have to remember that this kind of violence is rare, its like bullying taken to the extreme, its like kids who torture animals, they were bound to move on, I think even the Paedo risk isnt as great as the press would have us beleive, my real concern for my kids are the ***** that live near me hoofing a f*cking great off roader down our quiet cul de sac, a road where a quick head count of primary age kids or younger comes to at least 20.

Tiggs

blaming the gov is nonsense.....my kids are raised as well as i was 30 years ago. They play outside as much as i did and get a wallop as often as i did.......parents raise kids not Tony Blair.

T

as an aside 5 years old is too young to play comletely unsupervised (apart from a secure garden)....and i would have said that in 1975 and 1945 (not that thats the case here it seems)

Markus

Moral decline and Political Correctness. Two things that I personally believe are causing the problems we are seeing.

Kids are having kids, and they are not responsible enough to look after themselves, let alone their own children. They won't discipline thier kids, either due to them not being bothered as they are out partying all the time, or they simply just cannot be bothered to do so regardless. It may be that they cannot discipline their kids as it's now "bad" to smack your child and you'll face punishment for doing so.
Kids therefore grow up not having proper discipline and values instilled into them, and the cycle repeats itself.

The youth of today is sadly lacking in many social graces and respect that they should have, and the youth of my day had.

Shocking.

Leslie

I agree that children need corporal punishment at times to keep them in order. Parents are now discouraged from doing that and it does not help the cause. I am not saying it should be the first reaction of a parent to wrongdoing, but it should acceptable for a child to get a smack that stings when they deserve it.

My father was strict with me if I misbehaved myself and I learned about authority from him and my mother as well which kept me on the rails.

I never lost real love or respect for either of them.

Les

SJ_Skyline

Yoof ov today

Markus - you sound like my old man!

Leslie

Your old man is probably not far off the mark.

Les