Adam M

ok, watched the last film twice now, but that point doesn't really add to what I have to say here.

Am having trouble with figuring out where jedis come from!

eg. the younglings? how can their parent's be jedis if jedis are allowed to love others and hence have children?

ie. jedis can't have offspring so where do the new jedis come from?

you could say they just appear and are suontaneous mutations, but if that is the case, then why does obi wan tell yoda that luke is their only hope, to which he repies that there is another (leah).

something is amiss here.

hawkthescoobslayer

There are some things my young padawan that cannot be answered by us meer mortals and should be left to those above............

ie who the **** would impregnate those biatches in the other post.........

Southern Guy

You do realise it is only a film, yes?


They do go into it a little bit in the Phantom menace, When Qui-Gon finds Annekin, and they take a mediclorin(s) test(something along them lines) and basically some people have more than others and the way they explain it i only could make a comaparison of say having Worms....but basically these little life forms can be controlled and with the help of the jedi council and trainers, can turn you into a jedi..

Is very long, the path is young padowan, hehehe gotta love yoda

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Easy my young padwan:

Beer, helping ugly people reproduce for decades!

NS04

Adam M

yes appreciate the mediclorians thing, but it does not explain why obiwan says, "that boy was our last hope!"

Brendan Hughes

Maybe he was an old-fashioned sexist?

Southern Guy

-Sigh-

Right then, he is saying that boy was our last hope because of the phrophecy, which at first they though was Annekin, this said that a strong jedi would appear who would bring balance to the force and make everything peaceful...

They were wrong about annekin and when the next strong jedi turns up they assume it is Luke, when as a matter of fact Leia may be the one....leave it well open for another film even though Luke was the boy and killed all the bad guys, wouldnt be surprised if Leia takes all the credit, typical woman!!!

Geezer

Ah, but they were right about Annakin. He DID destroy the Sith and bring balance to the force, just not when they expected.

Geezer

New_scooby_04

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No, No, No. They were right about Anakin: he was the chosen one and does destroy the Sith: he kills the emprior in the Return of the Jedi. What the Jedi didn't forsee is that he would first fall to the dark side and would finsh the Sith as an act of redemption.

NS04

specialx

That's because he thought anakin was the chosen one when we now know that it's luke.



But why did obiwan not remember having a droid (R2D2) in starwars 4??


must be old age!





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GrollySTI

Wot he said.

hawkthescoobslayer

jeeez guys.... you're all so close.......... LUKE is thier last hope........... LUKE brings balance to the force by getting anakin to return from the dark side and kill the emporer.. therefore returning everything to a balance if it were not for luke it would not have happened.








ps i don't really have a clue just made this up

Geezer

Because R2 was Annakins droid, not Obi Wans. Obi Wan doesn't own a droid in any of the films, he utilises a few on his ships (R4 in ROTS), but doesn't own any of them.

Annakin built 3PO, and owned R2 from the beginning.

Geezer

GrollySTI

Yeah but if Anakin hadn't porked Padmay then Luke wouldn't exist!

So it has to be Anakin

hawkthescoobslayer

ahh the old chicken & egg scene hmmmmmmmmmmm


did he use the "force" though

Sticky Stuff

Right, this one's bugged me for 3 years...

During 'Clones' Anakin goes to visit his brother / sister / whatever, Owen, at his farm thingy in the desert, and takes along the droids (3PO & R2 IIRC, or maybe just 3PO). With me so far?

So, lets move on to 'A new hope', right at the start the droids land and get caught by Jawa's and sold to Owen. Now, Owen might be getting on a bit and be a little senile and forgetful, but what's the excuse for 3PO not going up to him and saying, 'eyup me old mucker, remember me and little shorty here?'

Not having seen Sith yet, this may all be explained by some memory loss suffered by 3PO, in which case just ignore me. Imagine, in fact, that I was down at Scoobyclinic and wanted a coffee..... Quiet, innit

GrollySTI

It does get explained........the reason is.......oh well you'll have to see it

stevem2k

Last comment on 3PO was "...and wipe the protocol droid's memory" as they board the corellian freighter ( provides nice link to opening of EP4 )


Steve

Sticky Stuff

Bugger...

oh, and thanks.

Sticky Stuff

...so how does he knnow that he's fluent in over 2,000,000 forms of communication upon his first meeting with Owen?

And how come he recognises R2 and says they've been through a lot together (paraphrasing)

darts_aint_sport

Because theres about 16 years between ep 3 and 4

Neanderthal

iTrader: (6)

Well there's still a load of years between ep3 and ep4 so maybe a lot did happen to them?

Still doesn't explain why Uncle Owen doesn't remember the droids though?

hawkthescoobslayer

I beg to differ Star wars 4 made in 1977

Return of the sith 2005


makes around 28 years in my books

hawkthescoobslayer

falling 60ft onto your head in a wrestling ring won't help



ooooopps sorry wrong owen

Geezer

16 years difference? Obi Wan is in his early thirties at worst at the end of ROTS, yet, he is obviously an old man in ANH. Annakin is 23, yet when Luke takes his mask off in ROTJ, he is obviously a middle aged man, but only 16 years have passed.

And, they are well on the way to building the Death Star at the end of ROTS (notice the Peter Cushing lookalike as Tarkin?), but it takes 16 years to finsih!!!!!!!! Indutrial action on a galactic scale?!?!?! It took only a few months to build the second one!

Damn those inconsistencies, they are spoiling my nostalgia!!!!!

Geezer

Brendan Hughes

Indeed, they used private contractors on the second one. Watch Kevin Smith's "Clerks"

LG John

Nobody is born a Jedi but must train to become such (like martial arts). Jedi training last a lifetime and the reason Yoda has the 'last hope' discussion is because whilst there will doubtless be many beings that have a high mediclorian count there would be no jedi left alive to train them. If you killed everyone that knew Kung Fu tomorrow then the martial art dies too irrespective of how many people may be 'naturally' able at it.


Anikin is the one that balances the force, just a little late as discussed earlier

Adam M

guys, I diasgree,

yoda's no, there is another, suggests that there is another potential who could be the prophesised balance bringer (although I believe it was annakin as he does bring balance - there are two jedi and two sith).

But leah at that stage is no more a jedi than anyone else as she doesn't know she has the power, (apart from when she knew luke was hanging from the bottom of cloud city).

The point is, the prophecy doesn't say anything about a skywalker being the chosen one, just that there is one, and so why is that there are only two last hopes left?

So my question still stands, where do the younglings come from? their parents can't be jedis,

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Interesting, that, cause there are always two sith: "the Rule of two" owing to the sith lengends that tell great conflict when there was more than a master and an appretice. Whereas no such rule existed for the Jedi's. Maybe in Killing all the Jedi apart from Obi wan and Yoda and joining the Sith, Anakin had already fufilled the prophecy! Two a piece i.e. balance.

As Yoda said in ROTS: "Maybe, misread the prophecy we have."

NS04


I need to get out more!!! :-)

LG John

The younglins aren't born Jedi but rather are born with a high medi count and then if discovered are trained to be jedi.