Why do nice guys finish last?
24 March 2005, 11:55 PM
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Why do nice guys finish last?
as per title.
Apparently im "too nice" to have a girlfriend, or so females keep telling me. But not too nice to have as a friend when their ******** boyfriend cant be bothered to do something for them.
Why is this? Im a nice chap, yet alls i hear from female friends is
a) why are there no nice chaps? (while im right there)
b) my boyfriend is such a **** etc. (why go out with them then?!)
and more than likely
c) can you do something for me? (to which theyre being told to bollocks at this point in time)
so, why do nice chaps finish last if they can fill a criteria of a boyfriend status?
or is it simply that womens is crazy peoples?
Apparently im "too nice" to have a girlfriend, or so females keep telling me. But not too nice to have as a friend when their ******** boyfriend cant be bothered to do something for them.
Why is this? Im a nice chap, yet alls i hear from female friends is
a) why are there no nice chaps? (while im right there)
b) my boyfriend is such a **** etc. (why go out with them then?!)
and more than likely
c) can you do something for me? (to which theyre being told to bollocks at this point in time)
so, why do nice chaps finish last if they can fill a criteria of a boyfriend status?
or is it simply that womens is crazy peoples?
24 March 2005, 11:59 PM
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Women love a rogue and a man that scares them a little
'Nice Guys' are ok as friends - but offer no spice to their lives whatsoever!
The old adage holds true, "Treat them mean, keep them keen"!
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'Nice Guys' are ok as friends - but offer no spice to their lives whatsoever!
The old adage holds true, "Treat them mean, keep them keen"!
Pete
25 March 2005, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Women love a rogue and a man that scares them a little
'Nice Guys' are ok as friends - but offer no spice to their lives whatsoever!
The old adage holds true, "Treat them mean, keep them keen"!
Pete
'Nice Guys' are ok as friends - but offer no spice to their lives whatsoever!
The old adage holds true, "Treat them mean, keep them keen"!
Pete
women cannot help themselves when it comes to a badass. FACT.
25 March 2005, 12:11 AM
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i have found a website which i think i wrote in a previous life
http://www.angelfire.com/vt2/g_hols/Niceguy
http://www.angelfire.com/vt2/g_hols/Niceguy
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25 March 2005, 12:28 AM
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only today i got accused of being a stalker, just because i'd asked a girl if she was ok seeing as i hadn't spoken to her for two days.... so i told her i could do without the grief, and told her to 'go away'.. i was only flippin concerned for gods sake....
Too good for my own good me thinks!!
Too good for my own good me thinks!!
25 March 2005, 12:33 AM
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ive had that. jealous bf didnt like me ringing or texting his gf.
also in school, crazy bitch, hes stalking me! blah blah blah, soon kicked that bitch into touch. literally,theiving ho.
also in school, crazy bitch, hes stalking me! blah blah blah, soon kicked that bitch into touch. literally,theiving ho.
25 March 2005, 12:54 AM
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ive had that. jealous bf didnt like me ringing or texting his gf.
There are two answers:
1. she needs a slap
2. he needs a slap.
everybody's appy
25 March 2005, 01:39 AM
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Don't make friends with a girl you like in that way, get to know them a bit and then ask them out.
I've got girl mates at work that get pissed and say your a nice guy etc to most of the guys at work, we're not that nice but we don't make passes at them and to be honest I think thats all thats required to fall into the nice category!
I take it you fancy one of your girl mates then ye? If she's got a boyfriend I would move on from her and find someone else that you don't know so well, even if she does slag him off. She needs someone to share her feelings with on a bad day and your it just now.
It's difficult when you fancy someone and all you can see yourself wanting to do is date them though.
I find I usually meet girls through friends etc and if something's going to happen it's likely to happen within a couple of nights of us meeting if it's going to at all.
I've got girl mates at work that get pissed and say your a nice guy etc to most of the guys at work, we're not that nice but we don't make passes at them and to be honest I think thats all thats required to fall into the nice category!
I take it you fancy one of your girl mates then ye? If she's got a boyfriend I would move on from her and find someone else that you don't know so well, even if she does slag him off. She needs someone to share her feelings with on a bad day and your it just now.
It's difficult when you fancy someone and all you can see yourself wanting to do is date them though.
I find I usually meet girls through friends etc and if something's going to happen it's likely to happen within a couple of nights of us meeting if it's going to at all.
25 March 2005, 01:51 AM
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Just realised I didn't even answer the question!!
She see's you as a friend, thats not gonna change easy.
Could be she's just not attracted to you, I have girl mates who if they asked me out would be told no sorry I see you as a good friend, I don't think it would work. What I think is no I'm not attracted to you so it wouldn't work.
Someone will post that ladder theory web page up sooner or later....
She see's you as a friend, thats not gonna change easy.
Could be she's just not attracted to you, I have girl mates who if they asked me out would be told no sorry I see you as a good friend, I don't think it would work. What I think is no I'm not attracted to you so it wouldn't work.
Someone will post that ladder theory web page up sooner or later....
25 March 2005, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Women love a rogue and a man that scares them a little
'Nice Guys' are ok as friends - but offer no spice to their lives whatsoever!
The old adage holds true, "Treat them mean, keep them keen"!
Pete
'Nice Guys' are ok as friends - but offer no spice to their lives whatsoever!
The old adage holds true, "Treat them mean, keep them keen"!
Pete
I think this is the first time you've got something right !!! make the most of the honour women just feel compelled to chase around moody/trpoublesome blokes ! weird bunch !
25 March 2005, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Poor Guy
is it simply that womens is crazy peoples?
QED...
25 March 2005, 03:52 AM
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I have to confess to reading one of those dating type books, but I actually found that a lot of things made sense, I just hadn't looked at things from the other person's perspective before.
Even though there's been womens' lib and equality for x number of years now, women still like men to be men.
One thing I've found to be true is women like a man with a plan. So for example if you're taking a girl out then make a plan and then tell you you've got a plan. By all means take her views into account, find out the type of things she likes to do or the type of food she likes, but then go ahead and make the plans based on that. In that way you appear both responsive and assertive. If one is too "nice" and always asks "what do you want to do" then one appears to be weak and indecisive. Be a man!
Even though there's been womens' lib and equality for x number of years now, women still like men to be men.
One thing I've found to be true is women like a man with a plan. So for example if you're taking a girl out then make a plan and then tell you you've got a plan. By all means take her views into account, find out the type of things she likes to do or the type of food she likes, but then go ahead and make the plans based on that. In that way you appear both responsive and assertive. If one is too "nice" and always asks "what do you want to do" then one appears to be weak and indecisive. Be a man!
25 March 2005, 06:26 AM
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Having spent many years debating this subject, I've come to some conclusions. The problem isn't being a "nice guy" - that really can be an asset - but rather the other characteristics that tend to go with the nice guy mindset.
So here's a little hard earned advice, one nice guy to another...
1. Don't be a doormat.
- If you're not dating a woman, don't go out of your way to spend time with her unless you're ONLY interested in her as a friend (i.e. totally unattracted to her - and be honest with yourself here)
- There is absolutely NO reason for you to listen to her current relationship woes, period
- Say what you think, don't be a meak and mild "Yes" man, and stand up for your opinions (and that goes for life in general)
2. Live life for yourself.
- You don't need anyone else to be "complete", that's a load of romantic bollocks!
- Get out there and find what makes you happy... it aint gonna come and find you
- Stop worrying about what you haven't got and enjoy what you have
3. Take pride in yourself.
- Dress nicely, shave regular, keep your hair decent etc. (Short hair btw, very few women like it long)
- Admit to yourself all the things you have achieved and consider all the things you could achieve if you set your mind to them (and then start doing them!)
- If you truly have pride in yourself, it will show in your bearing (You don't have to be an a-hole to have a little swagger)
4. Stop looking for a girlfriend.
- 'Single and looking' is the kiss of death
- Not only that, it puts pressure on you and makes you nervous
- Relax and enjoy life... Trust me, if a woman's interested, she will let you know
So here's a little hard earned advice, one nice guy to another...
1. Don't be a doormat.
- If you're not dating a woman, don't go out of your way to spend time with her unless you're ONLY interested in her as a friend (i.e. totally unattracted to her - and be honest with yourself here)
- There is absolutely NO reason for you to listen to her current relationship woes, period
- Say what you think, don't be a meak and mild "Yes" man, and stand up for your opinions (and that goes for life in general)
2. Live life for yourself.
- You don't need anyone else to be "complete", that's a load of romantic bollocks!
- Get out there and find what makes you happy... it aint gonna come and find you
- Stop worrying about what you haven't got and enjoy what you have
3. Take pride in yourself.
- Dress nicely, shave regular, keep your hair decent etc. (Short hair btw, very few women like it long)
- Admit to yourself all the things you have achieved and consider all the things you could achieve if you set your mind to them (and then start doing them!)
- If you truly have pride in yourself, it will show in your bearing (You don't have to be an a-hole to have a little swagger)
4. Stop looking for a girlfriend.
- 'Single and looking' is the kiss of death
- Not only that, it puts pressure on you and makes you nervous
- Relax and enjoy life... Trust me, if a woman's interested, she will let you know
25 March 2005, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Women love a rogue and a man that scares them a little
'Nice Guys' are ok as friends - but offer no spice to their lives whatsoever!
The old adage holds true, "Treat them mean, keep them keen"!
Pete
'Nice Guys' are ok as friends - but offer no spice to their lives whatsoever!
The old adage holds true, "Treat them mean, keep them keen"!
Pete
they like to have a bit of a "nutcase" on there arm, i belive its to show other females "look what i have tamed"??
slightly scarey bloke, keeps them on there toes.
nicey nicey bloke, sumbody for them to winge with when there real boyfriend dumps them.
25 March 2005, 09:34 AM
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Right then, after reading all that lot, I'm off out to punch some wench in the face. Should get me a **** at least - she'll know a good thing when it hits her.
25 March 2005, 09:45 AM
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you buch of cynical *******!!! 
women aren't JUST attracted by the tw@t-element. It's the whole package. Usually looks first, then personality/success etc. A bit like men then
If all these women are saying that "you're too nice", but are willing to ask you for help, that is not friendship - they're using you!!!!!
Both sexes can be just as devious.
I class myself as "nice guy" - stereotypical husband material (hence why I'm married with two kids!!!) My missus wouldn't even have looked at me if I was a "treat em mean keep em keen" type of person. Now been with her 14 years. For those who know me and my background, we're certainly not Howard & Hilda (Ever-decreasing circles), as we both "enjoy life" @ 31 yrs old!!! 
The people who get together with partners that are tw@ts deserve everything they get. No sympathy from me, as everybody's got a brain and standards that they live their life by. If in any way those standards are met, within reason, there is a choice to change.
DAn
women aren't JUST attracted by the tw@t-element. It's the whole package. Usually looks first, then personality/success etc. A bit like men then
If all these women are saying that "you're too nice", but are willing to ask you for help, that is not friendship - they're using you!!!!!
Both sexes can be just as devious.
I class myself as "nice guy" - stereotypical husband material (hence why I'm married with two kids!!!
) My missus wouldn't even have looked at me if I was a "treat em mean keep em keen" type of person. Now been with her 14 years. For those who know me and my background, we're certainly not Howard & Hilda (Ever-decreasing circles), as we both "enjoy life" @ 31 yrs old!!! The people who get together with partners that are tw@ts deserve everything they get. No sympathy from me, as everybody's got a brain and standards that they live their life by. If in any way those standards are met, within reason, there is a choice to change.
DAn
25 March 2005, 10:07 AM
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Women have it easy, all they have to do is sit there, guys have to do all the work.
I won't use myself cus I'm nowt spesh
, but some of my mates who I would say are pretty good looking don't have birds, not because they don't want one. Then on the other hand I see fat average bitches that have bf's.
Sorry if I sound so bitter
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I won't use myself cus I'm nowt spesh
, but some of my mates who I would say are pretty good looking don't have birds, not because they don't want one. Then on the other hand I see fat average bitches that have bf's.Sorry if I sound so bitter
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