goodbye UK democracy :(
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goodbye UK democracy :(
So b liar has achieved his aim..
the UK,s fundamental constitution has been overuled..
what happened to democracy and peoples person
crap crap and more crap
el tone is now seriously becoming what he proclaims to want to stop...
we,re on the rocky road to dictatorship..
fundamentally there is no uk law that can be upheld now, given that our
elected can overturn the magna carta in a one vote issue..
guilt before innocence.. detention without trial...
fines before proven guilty...
what is it that w*nker hates about the uk??? if its that bad why dosent he **** off to the socialist states and kiss *** there...
roll on the revolution
M
the UK,s fundamental constitution has been overuled..
what happened to democracy and peoples person
crap crap and more crap
el tone is now seriously becoming what he proclaims to want to stop...
we,re on the rocky road to dictatorship..
fundamentally there is no uk law that can be upheld now, given that our
elected can overturn the magna carta in a one vote issue..
guilt before innocence.. detention without trial...
fines before proven guilty...
what is it that w*nker hates about the uk??? if its that bad why dosent he **** off to the socialist states and kiss *** there...
roll on the revolution
M
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A quick Google.
The UK Constitution
The United Kingdom has no written constitution. Therefore in contrast with most other countries it is not possible to point to a text and say "this is our constitution", nor is there any doctrine of the supremacy of the constitution over other legislation, nor any constitutional court, nor any doctrine of the separation of powers.
Thus the elements of the United Kingdom constitution have to be sought out by consulting any or all of five different sources. This source may be a statute, i.e. an Act of Parliament. It may be a judicial pronouncement on the meaning of certain words in the statute. Or else the source may be a principle of the Common Law - from which certain basic principles are derived including freedom of expression, assembly and association. Then there is the body of law that relates to the status and operation of Parliament and its members. Finally there is a fifth element which is not written down at all: these are the conventions of the Constitution, such as the convention that Parliament must meet at least once a year, that the sovereign does not attend Cabinet meetings, and that ministers who lose the confidence of the House of Commons on a major issue must resign. The British Constitution is unusual in having so many and such important conventions.
The United Kingdom has no written constitution. Therefore in contrast with most other countries it is not possible to point to a text and say "this is our constitution", nor is there any doctrine of the supremacy of the constitution over other legislation, nor any constitutional court, nor any doctrine of the separation of powers.
Thus the elements of the United Kingdom constitution have to be sought out by consulting any or all of five different sources. This source may be a statute, i.e. an Act of Parliament. It may be a judicial pronouncement on the meaning of certain words in the statute. Or else the source may be a principle of the Common Law - from which certain basic principles are derived including freedom of expression, assembly and association. Then there is the body of law that relates to the status and operation of Parliament and its members. Finally there is a fifth element which is not written down at all: these are the conventions of the Constitution, such as the convention that Parliament must meet at least once a year, that the sovereign does not attend Cabinet meetings, and that ministers who lose the confidence of the House of Commons on a major issue must resign. The British Constitution is unusual in having so many and such important conventions.
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Originally Posted by johnfelstead
"The prime minister said he was acting on the "unanimous" advice of the security services and police chiefs, who said the orders were "necessary to disrupt the planning of terrorist activity in this country". "
Ah, well they're famous for giving good advice to the PM recently, aren't they?
Honestly - he asks the police if they'd like more powers. Was he really expecting a "no"?
Jye, thanks for making my point. Couldn't be arsed.
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Bollox to the genuine terror suspects, it's unclebuck I feel sorry for....he'll be under house arrest with no internet/phone in a jiffy, along with the rest of us who have expressed anti-labour opinions that endanger "national security"!
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"When the prime minister has left the corridors of power far behind him, he will reflect and, unless he acts now, will regret -- too late -- the destructive manner of politics he permitted to take root,"
John Major
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...r_050222100130
John Major
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...r_050222100130
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Tony Blair (2005): "There is no greater civil liberty than to live free from terrorist attack".
Benjamin Franklin (1755): "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
(copied from the BBC's current debate on the subject)
Benjamin Franklin (1755): "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
(copied from the BBC's current debate on the subject)
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
Tony Blair (2005): "There is no greater civil liberty than to live free from terrorist attack".
That man's a feckin arsehole.
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SJ, those two quotes are superb, simply superb.
I shouted at the radio today when I heard the news. I am *so* disgusted that a politician has effectively just been given the power to put someone under house arrest.
Anyone with a spare couple of hours who fancies reading a good story should google "John Titor", and read the strategicbrains website. Brilliant bit of sci-fi writing IMHO at what happens if a police state takes a grip in the west.
I shouted at the radio today when I heard the news. I am *so* disgusted that a politician has effectively just been given the power to put someone under house arrest.
Anyone with a spare couple of hours who fancies reading a good story should google "John Titor", and read the strategicbrains website. Brilliant bit of sci-fi writing IMHO at what happens if a police state takes a grip in the west.
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I shouted at the radio today when I heard the news. I am *so* disgusted that a politician has effectively just been given the power to put someone under house arrest.
The imams have appealed, as is their right.
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Originally Posted by Suresh
The justice minister in The Netherlands just served a deportation order on four foeign Imams for spreading a gospel of hate. This was done without a trial too on the basis of evidence collected by the Secret Service. Would you come and scream at the radio here as well? Or, like most sane people, say good riddence to bad rubbish?
The imams have appealed, as is their right.
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The imams have appealed, as is their right.
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Originally Posted by mart360
history 101 guys??
so the magna carta is a crock then????
nl kiss your *** goodbye
M
so the magna carta is a crock then????
nl kiss your *** goodbye
M
It does touch on other issues, but it's not a constitution by any means.
The next closest thing we have is the Bill of RIghts, but again this is more to do with granting power to Parliament as opposed to the Monarchy. As parliament have done what you say is so distasteful, then it would seem that it is perfectly legal and above board.
Doesn't make it palatable however.
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Originally Posted by ajm
it's unclebuck I feel sorry for....he'll be under house arrest with no internet/phone in a jiffy, along with the rest of us who have expressed anti-labour opinions that endanger "national security"!
"This law marks the end of democracy in this country, a law that allows politicians to place people under house arrest without trial or evidence makes this a police state. I almost can't believe we are letting a government do this, then again if we protest we'll probably all be placed under arrest as 'suspected terrorists"
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its all a big joke. When will bLiar learn that we are not all stupid.
When was the last terrorist attack?
Is there is a present danger?
Are we to believe that 100% of the planned attacks on our country have been foiled?
Why didn't we apply the same accuracy on foiling attacks when we were under attack from the IRA?
Bob
When was the last terrorist attack?
Is there is a present danger?
Are we to believe that 100% of the planned attacks on our country have been foiled?
Why didn't we apply the same accuracy on foiling attacks when we were under attack from the IRA?
Bob
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...23/nterr23.xml
charles clark says that he knows stuff he cant tell us, so we have to trust him....
Where have I heard that before?
charles clark says that he knows stuff he cant tell us, so we have to trust him....
Where have I heard that before?
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Hmmm. A quick Google brings up this Ayman:
http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terroris...alzawahiri.htm
We're onto you mate. House arrest nest with that nice Mr Clark looking after you .....
Dave
http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terroris...alzawahiri.htm
We're onto you mate. House arrest nest with that nice Mr Clark looking after you .....
Dave
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As many, me included and no doubt many others on other forums complain bitterly, nash our teeth, even foam at the mouth at these assaults on our essential freedoms we thought were our birthright the politicians don't give a dam.
The Tories, if in power would be doing much the same, with Labour complaining.
They know that most of us won't actually do anything in defiance, for many reasons.
Listen to the writers, so often far seeing and correct.
What really pees me off though is that Charles Clarke in a previous life as President of the National Union of Students would be on the streets in response to such impositions. So I say he is, like all politicians, imho, a hyprocite.
The Tories, if in power would be doing much the same, with Labour complaining.
They know that most of us won't actually do anything in defiance, for many reasons.
Listen to the writers, so often far seeing and correct.
What really pees me off though is that Charles Clarke in a previous life as President of the National Union of Students would be on the streets in response to such impositions. So I say he is, like all politicians, imho, a hyprocite.
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...23/nterr23.xml
charles clark says that he knows stuff he cant tell us, so we have to trust him....
Where have I heard that before?
charles clark says that he knows stuff he cant tell us, so we have to trust him....
Where have I heard that before?
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There was an excellent article in The Register yesterday.
Guilty! New Labour could arrest self under new terror law
It makes some very interesting points.
mb
p.s. Don't forget to read both pages!
Guilty! New Labour could arrest self under new terror law
It makes some very interesting points.
mb
p.s. Don't forget to read both pages!
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
When will bLiar learn that we are not all stupid.
Is the next step that the government takes the "speed kills" argument one step further, and uses the opportunity to place speeders under house arrest for "terrorising the roads" - once their tax paying ability (sorry driving license) has expired?
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