Mog

I bought my son a Airsoft MP5 with with red dot sights and my daughter a Glock pistol for xmas and they are great, is anyone into these guns as I now fancy a sniper rifle for myself....some advice needed if possible.

Mog

Nevetas

http://www.zeroed.co.uk

moses

best one is the walther nighthawk, with the laser, torch of course available in green, black or cammo

and an airgun the new s-16 is very nice shrouded

SJ_Skyline

shame about their website now - it used to be really good when my old company did it but - http://www.airsoftarmoury.co.uk/

also, the best place for questions is http://forums.ukairsoft.net/

My leaving pressie from my old company was a gas blowback Ingram Mac10

r32

Watch out the neighbours dont call the old bill and report a family of terrorists......
Its happened several times just recently...

Nicks VR4

http://www.airgunbuyer.com/index.asp

Blackpool shop

Poor Guy

www.redwolfairsoft.com

cheap and good. tokyo marui. they ship them from the east direct. £100 for a p90 wheres as £250 over here.

CoobyS

whats a decent legal gun you can get? i want one to protect my family incase someone breaks into my house and poses danger to out lives.

thanks in advance for any help.

wwp8

ditto that.
or whats the most powerful legal gun available

CoobyS

BTW, is an training needed to use these guns other than shooting cans in the back garden? I would prefer a handgun because it seems easier to use and store.

Thanks.

DanTheMan

Mate they only sting a little if you get hit with one, not the best defence against armed gangs of car thieves / burglars

Nevetas

Legally you can have a air rifle, with a limit of 12ft/lb

OR a pistol with a limit of 6ft/lb

But either way if you shot an intruder with one you'd probably be in a lot of trouble. So lets just assume US law for the rest of this post...

Like anything, even an airsoft gun could potentially kill you, but lets get realistic. If you got shot with a 12ft/lb gun it would hurt, and it would probably break the skin and stick a pellet in you. BUT it's not going to see off a 6" 5 intruder with a knife that wants your scooby.

I would suggest buying a deactived shotgun or rifle, storing it under the bed, and then just let him know you have some serious fire power, and just hope he doesn't call your bluff!!

I have a Firearms License and run a shooting business, I have loads of guns, but all are locked up tight and would take me about 3-4 minutes trying to get into my gun safe to get them out. Not the best when somebody is trashing the place downstaires.

To put it in perspective

UK Air Rifle: 12ft/lb
.223 (5.56 NATO) AR15 (M16): APPROX 2,300ft/lb

In the USA, for home defence, I would suggest a cut down pump action shot gun (12 bore or 20 bore) with high capacity magaizine. As this won't jam, and causes massive damage at close range. Meaning your intruder will go down first time, every time. The shotgun also possesses the advantage that with birdshot loads, the projectiles won't whiz through a criminal, the wall behind him, and go on to strike one of my family members. Another advantage, which is not to be discounted, is that the sound of the slide being worked on a pump-action shotgun is very intimidating, the vast majority never see a shot fired because the threat of being shot is usually enough to stop the crime in progress, an intimidating appearance or sound is very valuable.

If you want to get into shooting properly send me a pm, and I can give you advice and help on obtaining your firearms cert.

Having said all this, with UK law at the moment, hand over your keys and don't even bother trying to stop him

Interesting Reading:

http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/#stopping

http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/#Why_do_you_really

http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/milit..._patterns.html

CoobyS

Thanks for the useful info Nevetas.

Now given that 12ft/lb is the max UK power, if an intruder is wearing a leather jacket, would this have any impact?

Also, I am taking into consideration that UK laws regarding self-defence in the home are due to be relaxed.

Nevetas

If he is wearing a leather jacket, and you are using pointed ammo it just might get through, but not really going to do that much after the jacket has already taken most of the energy out of the pellet. I reckon personally if you pointed a deactived shotgun at him rather than an airgun he's going to leg it.

Especially if you 'load' the shotgun by pumping it, even though you know it doesn't even work, he doesn't and that's enough to make him skid his panties.

But, if he does call your bluff, then just hit him over the head with it

bighead

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quote:If you want to get into shooting properly send me a pm, and I can give you advice and help on obtaining your firearms cert.


Nevetas......... Uk laws only allow you to own single action target gun is it not ?
cause I uesd to shoot alot b4 they banned semi-autos
please correct me if I'm wrong

Aztec Performance Ltd

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I have a hand held pistol. It breaks the skin no problem and having been hit by it myself I certainly wouldnt want it shot in my face

The look of the gun itself should be more than enough to make an intruder turn and run.

Bob

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Mog: Why would you buy your kids airguns

Nevetas

For taget shooting you need to do 6 months probation at a club before they will issue you an FAC.

You can still have semi auto in .22LR & .22 Magnum, but that's it. Nothing more, all the rest would be bolt action or Straight Pull.

You can also have black powder Pistols.

CoobyS

Where does it say that legally the max power is 12ft/lb?

Isn't it better to have something with low power that could cause some damage rather than a deactivated gun, which won't do much?

Iwan

You'd be better off hitting the crim with the air rifle rather than shooting him with it, seriously.

Better off with a big maglite etc really, unless they relax the laws and allow you to keep a shotgun next to your bed.

Iwan

It's written into firearms legislation, anything over 12ft/lbs is classed as a firearm and treated as such by the law.

Nevetas

Nothing wrong with that IMO.

If the parents are sensible ans show there kids all about guns from an early age this is better then saying they can't have them. If a kid really wants an airgun he will get his mate to get him one, and then have one anyway.

My dad bought me my first pistol, and took me clay shooting. I now teach firearms & run a shooting business, and have never had any problems in 17 years.

You can't gunproof your house, but you can gunproof your kids.

bighead

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yes I thoughs as much ... that is why I gave it up
but still missed my Berreta92F

cheers...Nevetas

Nevetas

12ft/lb stems from old UK law.

At the time the UK were having trouble producing airguns with more power than 12ft/lb. The usa were already making 16ft/lb guns.

So to help the UK sales, the goverment placed the 12ft/lb restriction.

Nevetas

MMmMMMMmMMM 92F Nice!!

CoobyS

Ok. So what about getting a rapid-fire 12ft/lb gun - surely that will cause some damage - say firing a round of 20 shots quickly to disable a 6'5" person with a knife running towards you??

BTW, can you recommend any places where I can buy such a gun (and model)?

Nevetas

Well possibly, I'm not an expert on airgun law but I'm sure you can't have a semi-auto non fac airgun.

So that would mean it would have to be bolt action and magazine fed.

So, your options would be, Theoben Rapid 7/17/12/20 / MFR, BSA Super Ten, Logun S-16. To name a few. As for a shop call these people http://www.theairguncentre.co.uk/ Tell them 'bad boy' sent you, and they will give you a nice discount.

But personally I reckon and deactived firearms would scare them off much much quicker imo.

GC8

Yes; the effect it would have would be to completely **** him off causing him to stab you in the head with the f*ck-off screwdriver he used to get into your house ffs.

Nevetas

Sounds about right

GC8

It is likely that a '.38 Special' or a 9mm pistol round wouldnt stop a person who was running towards you with a knife; ultimately it might kill them, but it wont stop them.

This is the most stupid thread since the 'can I kill a burglar in my home thread'. I cant get my breath.