What if a manager sets impossibly high standards.....
14 December 2004, 07:16 AM
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What if a manager sets impossibly high standards.....
...and threatens to discipline anyone that doesn't meet the standard.
Basically we have a supervisor who wants his "mates" on his shift so he's setting these standards that no-one can attain,then get rid of them under the guise of "cant do their job properly".
Its not right is it,and i bet it go's on elsewhere......
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Basically we have a supervisor who wants his "mates" on his shift so he's setting these standards that no-one can attain,then get rid of them under the guise of "cant do their job properly".
Its not right is it,and i bet it go's on elsewhere......
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14 December 2004, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by paulr
...and threatens to discipline anyone that doesn't meet the standard.
Basically we have a supervisor who wants his "mates" on his shift so he's setting these standards that no-one can attain,then get rid of them under the guise of "cant do their job properly".
Its not right is it,and i bet it go's on elsewhere......
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Basically we have a supervisor who wants his "mates" on his shift so he's setting these standards that no-one can attain,then get rid of them under the guise of "cant do their job properly".
Its not right is it,and i bet it go's on elsewhere......
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I love deadlines. I love the sound they make when they go whistling by.
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14 December 2004, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by the moose
What about employees who constantly slack off and perform badly?
It goes both ways, y'know.
It goes both ways, y'know.
14 December 2004, 07:48 PM
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A good manager sets challenging but realistic deadlines his staff agree to, and then helps ensure they achieve them. I've never seen the benefit of being in conflict with your team as a whole - very rarely achieves anything. Anyway, to answer the original question:
In order to pursue "can't do their job properly", he would need to pursue formal competency procedures, which are restricted in employment law. Any breach of that, he'd never stand up in a tribunal.
In broad terms (ignoring details I don't know about) if the targets he is setting are equivalent to those achieved on some other shifts, his deadlines could be considered reasonable. If they are well in excess of what other shifts are doing, they are unreasonable.
Someone setting unreasonable targets and trying to discipline staff for not meeting them leaves a manager open to a grievance procedure.
Quiet word bringing those facts to the mind of the guy concerned may help. Failing that, a quiet word with a suitable more senior boss, HR or union rep or whatever, who can have a quiet word might help. Third and final resort is to actually try and invoke any of the above; IMHO to be avoided unless necessary as it usually makes for an unpleasant working environment for you as well as them.
Whichever way, actually making the hard decision and standing up to them is the right thing to do. Ensure you've covered yourself and do it "by the book" if you think he is vindictive.
In order to pursue "can't do their job properly", he would need to pursue formal competency procedures, which are restricted in employment law. Any breach of that, he'd never stand up in a tribunal.
In broad terms (ignoring details I don't know about) if the targets he is setting are equivalent to those achieved on some other shifts, his deadlines could be considered reasonable. If they are well in excess of what other shifts are doing, they are unreasonable.
Someone setting unreasonable targets and trying to discipline staff for not meeting them leaves a manager open to a grievance procedure.
Quiet word bringing those facts to the mind of the guy concerned may help. Failing that, a quiet word with a suitable more senior boss, HR or union rep or whatever, who can have a quiet word might help. Third and final resort is to actually try and invoke any of the above; IMHO to be avoided unless necessary as it usually makes for an unpleasant working environment for you as well as them.
Whichever way, actually making the hard decision and standing up to them is the right thing to do. Ensure you've covered yourself and do it "by the book" if you think he is vindictive.
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