davegtt

heard this on the radio this morning, how could people be some ignorant, although it does make u think that how many people here might have though, might get car jacked if I stop or something similar, alot of faith has been lost in this country now and people would probably think twice about helping some1.... sad world I know but thats life Im afraid

paulr

**NO..it just about sums up A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE of Britain**


wouldnt do it myself,and would stop if i saw it happeneing,but thats life.every society has a few "undesirables" .the vast majority of people are really decent,generous people.

the moose

Remember the parable of the Good Samaritan? Been going on a long time, has selfishness and an unwillingness to help others.

suprabeast

i think its disgusting and is actually not far from my route to work.. I would have stopped had it have been me... however i would have got out and locked my car first - just in case because that would be one of the things that crossed my mind

astraboy

then again, this WAS in Sidcup. If I was driving past, I would stop, but I would have my antennas well and truly up. And 999 dialed into my phone before I got out of my car.
astraboy.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Words cannot convey my thoughts on this. It typifies the self centred and cynical attitudes of people.

Thoughts such as "If I help, I'll be late for this and that, or have to waste a day at the police station"

Or "It's probably some druggie/drunk/homeless person."

We live amongst petty minded fools

Freak

coming home at about 2am a few years back, i saw what i thought was a bag lying in the gutter/half on the pavement of a main road into town.

A second glance confirmed it was a body

Turns out he had slit his wrists (he was lying in a huuuge pool of claret), so we stopped,called and waited for the ambulance.
Id do the same again

Ubik

Thats all I would have done. (stopped and locked) My father went to Chesterfield the other day, there was a blind man asking passers by to help him across the road. He couldn't believe people were either ignoring this old man with a cane, one bloke told him to f off!

Scum.

The bloke hadn't been there long and took it all in his stride. My dad was more shocked than the old fella.

logiclee

Through work I have to do one week a year on first aid and on-site trauma treatment.

I've stopped to help at a couple of RTA's and been involved with too many work related serious accidents.

I just can't see how anyone can drive past when someones Mother/Daughter/Sister/Wife is laying in the road in a pool of blood.

All those that drove past ought to feel very ashamed and should think long and hard what their own thoughts would be if people drove by their dying relative in the road.

Lee

Buzzer

I agree with you there Lee, i think the drivers that drove past should be named and shamed

I just cant believe people would do such a thing

Last night my wife was in the School car park picking up my Daughter after a hockey match. There were loads of cars with parents in, waiting for their kids.

She then noticed two teenage lads kicking the **** out of a smaller lad She then got out the car and ran halfway across the car park to try and stop it. She shouted at the top of her voice and scared the two tossers off. This poor little lad couldn't breathe, he was having an asthma attack

His mum was waiting down the road and was oblivious to it. My missus then explained that there must of been at least 10 parents including Dads all sat in their cars watching the fight no sorry, not fight.................. beating is more the word she described. Not one of them intervened to help and even worse, they let my 5' 4", 8 stone wife put herself in harms way.............. bastids

After taking the lad to his mum and helping with ventolin (sp) and calming him down she went past ALL the parked cars with parents in and called them @rseholes to their faces individually

What bloke would sit and watch a kid get the **** kicked out of him and then watch a slip of a woman break it up, fcukin w@nkers the lot of them.

Abdabz

Age old scam / urban legend re the lying in the road thing - get out to help - get mugged / car keys at knifepoint etc. I'd have kept going but rung for an ambulance - and like others would have swerved to avoid her so as not to put extra toil on my eibachs!!! .
Again - its chaf all to do with how awful britain is - that age old SN twaddle bores me - but I cant help responding to it - its just life - self preservation - people make snap decisions...
Having collapsed from a panic attack, there's nothing worse than unqualified do-gooders surrounding you asking daft questions and just getting in the way. Leave it to the paramedics - who as above Id've phoned.
amen
P

andrewdelvard

I agree with all the above posts and really can't imagine a time when I wouldn't stop to help someone who was obviously in need of urgent help.
However. Lots of people didn't stop. People that I can't imagine are that different to us. Why didn't they stop? It's easy to say selfish bla bla but something a little more sophisticated is happening here. If people had been walking by would they have been more likely to stop? Is it because (some)people in cars don't have time to evaluate a given situation, dissmiss it and carry on with their journey hoping someone else will take care of it?
What is really happening?

davegtt

well said andrew, I bet most of the cars that drove by either saw the person at the very last minute before swerving not taking note of the situation, not having chance to see if there was some1 around (who may have done the beating) whether they saw blood or not who knows.... Its OK for people to see the bigger picture now its all explained but at the time etc who knows what yourself may have done. is it a dodgy area? its was obviously dark. think we need to tackle the problem of cleaning the streets of Britain from scum who did the crime (presuming it was a beating rather thana fall) and people may start to trust others and help.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

I think that's one of the nails hit...it's someone elses problem - not mine!

Nothing stopping the drivers from stopping after passing, or turning round. Even if it is just to phone the police/ambulance.

ajm

Good point Dave. Its interesting that the whole thread has been about castigating those who didn't stop, but no one has mentioned how terrible it is that someone assaulted her and left her at the side of the road in the first place.

It really is indicative of a mentality that has accepted criminals and it is now the victim's fault for not protecting themself and the fault of the witnesses for not helping.

andypugh2000

Maybe she was hit by a stray horse

Buzzer

Andrew, indeed very good point but if you went by instaneous actions, surely it would be one of "stop and make sure everything is okay"

If i hadn't of stopped i would of been 50 yards up the road re-thinking my actions and then turned round and re-evaluated the situation.

I'm sorry but i just cant grasp the "ahh sod it, someone else will sort it" attitude

Abdabz, your on a wind up right?

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

But witnesses doing nothing does go hand in hand with crime. Sitting there watching does nothing to prevent or deter it.

Now if you and few other people witnessed an assault or crime. If you all ran after the attacker, caught them and gave them a good kicking then I'd think that person may think twice before doing again.

(ignore the fact the you'd get done for assaulting the criminal...it's been done to death - and lets say just after kicking the crap out of the criminal, they called 999 from a phone box and ran off without a trace never to be caught ).

If the people showed a more aggessive intorerance to crime, then it would help to prevent it. Taking a passive approach does nothing - it just allows criminal to carry on with what they are doing.

davegtt

Ali, by what your saying though is agreeing on the fact that we need to resolve the problems of crime first, in this day and life its not common to come across the fact that its look after number 1 and the family before worrying about others, Im not saying Id drive on by but I am saying every single day u see something in the news that would make u think twice about going out of your way to help some1... if that makes sence.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Yes I agree, we need to solve the cause.

Although I can understand why people don't take an active approach whilst a crime is in progress - self preservation/fear etc.

What gets me is in this particular scienario, the crime had been commited and was over, leaving the person lying in a road. So, why not help them? - only the people who drove past can properly anwser that question

logiclee

I thought it would be most peoples natural instinct to help but obviuosly not.

Todays selfish attitude seems to have burned that away.

I once nearly hit a motorcyclist who was down on the road and my very first thought was too run back up the road to make sure the next bus/lorry/car didn't run over him.

Lee

davegtt

Ali, try telling that to the farmer (forget his name) who tackled the crime with more agression and shot the burgular and got sent down, people would hit hard if the government hit hard.

Leslie

Try as I might, I cannot find any excuse for those who were not prepared to stop to at least find out what her condition was. She might have been seriously ill and required instant attention to save her life.

Even if the drivers did not realise that she was motionless in the gutter straightaway, they could still have stopped and gone back to find out, even if it did stop a bit of traffic, the ones who drove around her in particular are most to blame.

It is to do with today's attitudes, as B2Z says it is sheer selfishness and lack of thought for anyone else except themselves. In past times no one would have dreamt of ignoring her plight. Its a sad indication of today's set of values.

Les

Spoon

I wouldn't have stopped.

I'd have assumed she was doing a double yellow line survey.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I've had similar, twice.

The first time, I spotted a man lying in an alleyway, very dark, very quiet, after dropping a mate off in a dodgy area of Scunny, about 1130pm. This was in the days before mobile phones, and I was alone and driving an Escort Mexico, so I drove the mile to the local cop-shop to report it, and did so to a group of about 6 coppers outside the station.

B*gger me if they didn't accuse me of drink driving and insist on breathalysing me! And as far as I know, I never saw anyone go out to the guy.

The second one was in broad daylight last May in Lincoln. An old lady walked out of her gate onto the footpath next to the road I was on, and just collpased.
No-one stopped, so I did, and as I was helping her, (she'd had a dizzy spell), a bus driver shouted at me and called me a w*nker 'cos he had to wait to pass my car as traffic was heavy from the opposite direction!

This country................: In France you have to stop and give help by law, and can be fined if you don't.

Alcazar

SJ_Skyline

In Britain you are likely to be sued for giving the wrong sort of help.

I agree the story is shocking but it also shows that cameras can give help when its needed and cameras can't use judgement.

Society is what you make of it - if you don't like it then do something to make a difference!

davegtt

lmao, that is another nail hit me thinks....

Alcazar, the granny thing is slightly different if u have seen what happened then surely help should have been at hand. the Bus driver should have been reported.